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So you all remember last week was hosted by Bill Burr saying that white women have made the woke movement about themselves (which has no semblance of truth if you're familiar with SJW's and the identity politics of liberals) and Pete Davidson comparing JKR to anti-Semitism (which is offensive to Jews and women as a class, alike).

So now they have a skit just posted on YouTube of a white guy being hesitant to take an empathy drink that makes one experience systemic racism, and they feature a white woman saying she doesn't need to take it because she's a woman and it's basically the same thing.

So the comment section has become all about "Bill Burr was right" and "how ridiculous white women are for thinking they share the experience of oppression" and "black men are more oppressed than white women".

They haven't even posted the rest of the skits yet, so there maybe even worse yet to come. Comment on YouTube, share your opinions with SNL and NBC on Twitter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP0H0j4pCOg

***Edited to include newest link. They deleted and then uploaded.

So you all remember last week was hosted by Bill Burr saying that white women have made the woke movement about themselves (which has no semblance of truth if you're familiar with SJW's and the identity politics of liberals) and Pete Davidson comparing JKR to anti-Semitism (which is offensive to Jews and women as a class, alike). So now they have a skit just posted on YouTube of a white guy being hesitant to take an empathy drink that makes one experience systemic racism, and they feature a white woman saying she doesn't need to take it because she's a woman and it's basically the same thing. So the comment section has become all about "Bill Burr was right" and "how ridiculous white women are for thinking they share the experience of oppression" and "black men are more oppressed than white women". They haven't even posted the rest of the skits yet, so there maybe even worse yet to come. Comment on YouTube, share your opinions with SNL and NBC on Twitter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP0H0j4pCOg ***Edited to include newest link. They deleted and then uploaded.

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[–] DaughtersOfLilith 93 points (+94|-1)

I think it’s fair to say that white women and Black men have in common that they live holding both significant oppression and significant privilege in ways that get quite complicated and deserve a lot of good analysis.

At the same time, I also think that there is something significant in the fact that here in the US, Black men got the right to vote before women of any race, and a Black man was President before a woman of any race.

[–] Amareldys 25 points (+27|-2)

I agree.

A spoiled pampered poodle may have a better life than a street mongrel, and hey, may have a better life than a lot of humans, but at the end of the day she's still just a bitch.

[–] wildpansy 8 points (+8|-0)

If your privilege comes from your relationship with someone else, it isn't YOUR privilege.

[–] GenderHeretic 86 points (+87|-1)

It couldn't be more clear that the focus on "white women" by white men is propaganda intended to indoctrinate the public to the idea that women's oppression doesn't exist. Of course white women are privileged racially; they are still oppressed on the basis of sex. Men are extremely invested in demonizing women by pretending it's just about "white women". White men particularly want the public to see white women as more privileged than they are.

[–] remove-the-veil 40 points (+40|-0)

Yes. Because when 'other' women (aka black, brown, native, etc) are very obviously oppressed, they can just say that it's on the basis of their colour/ethnicity or their economic status, and divorce their oppression entirely from their sex.

[–] Morningmist 26 points (+26|-0) Edited

I’ve noticed this in woke circles that they then use it to silence WOC. I always notice when WOC call out white women, there is a huge pile on but when WOC call out MOC, it’s just radio silence because MOC do not want to be held accountable for their misogyny.

It was easy for them to do when it was just black men getting killed by cops. Now they’re using Breonna Taylor as a martyr even though she’s not the first black woman to be killed by cops.

[–] mycelium 22 points (+22|-0)

It seems so surreal that, just a couple years ago, white men were the de facto cause of everyone's problems. It had an almost "Thanks, Obama" designation to it, where people would jokingly blame personal, everyday problems on white men. Now that "Karen" has taken over, it's always white men that scream it the loudest. I've seen white men justify fantasies of murdering white women because of this, "they need to be taken down a few pegs" attitude. I've seen white men say, "if anything, I'm just being racist. I only want to hurt white women because they benefit from being white". They hide behind the subject of race, as if they weren't participating in oppressing white women based on sex at that very moment.

They've already started calling WOC Karens. Any WOC who thought the whole "Karen" thing would protect them is hopelessly naive. Libfems on tumblr have already started hating on latina and asian women. None of us are safe.

[–] chrysthefeminist 13 points (+13|-0)

Yes. As I always say, the last thing white men want is female equals in their own homes.

[–] Totallyrad 45 points (+45|-0) Edited

They love to leave out the fact that white women were also abolitionists. A white woman wrote Uncle Tom's Cabin which changed many people's minds about slavery..later turned into a ministrel play turning Uncle Tom into a sellout and now no longer read in schools. The woke left that uses the term "UNCLE TOM" to call someone a sellout is showing how stupid they are because the Uncle Tom in Harriet Beecher Stowe's novel was actually not a sellout. They also leave out that white women also helped black men in their movements to earn the vote before women could vote. Then when it came time for women to fight for our rights to vote men didn't have our backs. They also leave out that right now both political parties are trying to take back our rights and sexism is the most swept under the rug oppression and still to this day...many women are told to put our needs last and focus on helping everyone else instead. Men are being groomed into protecting each other in a system that puts them first and if it comes down to man's word vs. a woman...he gets plenty of support. I hate SNL now. If they want to be brave why can't they pick on those they deem have a protection status like gay men and trans. Women aren't the ones privileged here. Men are even if they are gay have it better than women of all colors.

[–] Amareldys 18 points (+19|-1)

Uncle Tom in the book was a Christ figure.

Yes, he decided not to run away when he learned he was being sold... because Eliza was already running away with her kid who was also being sold, and if BOTH were gone the deal would fall through, potentially meaning EVERY slave would be sold and ALL the slave families separately.

And on the Legree plantation he considers it, but he sees how miserable the other slaves are and feels his duty to help them make their lives a little easier. Then terrible things happen when he won't sell out two women who ran away.

[–] feralfeminist 1 points (+1|-0)

"Uncle Tom" as a betrayer is an old usage, probably going all the way back to that minstrel show. The woke center didn't invent that, they just appropiated it.

[–] RawSienna 43 points (+43|-0)

The misogyny propagandists are busy these days.

There’s a barely hidden war on women in the west.

[–] ComplicatedSpirit 41 points (+41|-0)

Sooooo....are white women just the epitome of all evil now? Is that what we’re supposed to think? Are all women oppressed except for white women, and are all stereotypes bad except for stereotypes about white women?

[–] Chickpea 35 points (+35|-0) Edited

It’s all about ‘divide and conquer’. Women started making progress as a whole so the best way to stop that progress is by pitting us against eachother. It’s easier to win a battle against 10 small groups than one large one. By dividing women into “evil” white vs “good” minority, it not only makes control easier, it distracts you from the real issues.

Too bad most women will fight to the death to throw our rights away and bow down to men’s demands.

[–] EvenMoreMinty 25 points (+25|-0) Edited

This might come across as me exaggerating, but I think you're right, and that, once they've shat on and removed white women enough, they'll go after the next group of women, and then the next, until there can be no united group.

[–] Chickpea 14 points (+14|-0)

Yep, exactly, and with each group they conquer they gain complete control over their mindset too. It’s like the saying “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

People are so ridiculously petty and unfocused (especially today with social media) to the point all you have to say is “that bad group agrees with you” and they’ll change their minds right then and there just so they don’t have anything in common. It’s the whole reason why the trans-agenda took off so well.

[–] Morningmist 11 points (+11|-0)

Doesn’t that mean many will just vote Republican? It’s white women who flipped the house in 2018, not sure why people are forgetting this. Sure they focus on the squad but the fact is the squad won districts that were already Democrat.

[–] Totallyrad 30 points (+30|-0)

Women have no real friends in politics. These media conglomerates hate us too and they are owned by men. Anyone remember the stories on CNN where theyd talk about girls doing better in school than boys then they'd say "what about the boys!" and turn it into poor boys?No good job girls but...instead...what about the boys!

[–] Morningmist 14 points (+14|-0)

Trans women aka white men are the most oppressed according to woketurds.

[–] AmyHousewine 10 points (+10|-0)

Can we flip this? aka label the guy chimping out "It is MA'AM" as a Karen?

[–] feralfeminist 3 points (+3|-0)

Yeah but tack on the picture of "Karen" White in there somewhere.

[–] blahblahgcer 37 points (+37|-0)

As a hardcore snl fan, this is kind of disturbing. Everyone on reddit of course thought that was the funniest joke all night and is down voting people who suggest otherwise. Sigh.

[–] Xact [OP] 28 points (+28|-0)

This is what people on youtube thought was the funniest part of the sketch, too. Right now, there's a black dude saying that misogyny is at the "back of the line" when it comes to oppression that actually matters. He also thinks it's weird that a woman whose identity is oppressed by white supremacy would be worried about female oppression.

[–] BlackCherry 36 points (+36|-0)

2000: Misogynist: "Women need to shut the fuck up and know their place" MainstreamFeminist: "We have a right to speak about our lives and needs and push for change to improve our world."

2020: Misogynist: "White women need to shut the fuck up and know their place." MainstreamFeminist: "Right? Right? Jesus they are the worst, let's just punch them all!"

[–] Bogos 31 points (+31|-0) Edited

This is really disappointing considering women have been carrying the show for the last 15 years. The show has been racist and misogynist in its hiring but mostly owns up to its faults, why this deliberate attack and what is there to gain right now?

I’m also just so fucking tired of the oppression okympics where one group needs to be compared to the other. Misogyny and racism have different effects . And the white men writing these jokes are not oppressed by either.

I also would like to point out that by denying misogyny exists they’re hurting all women, just as feminism is for all women. And as a human being with feelings I’m also anti-racist, even it’s not part of my feminism except in defense of black women. Someone needs to say something to them publicly. Twitter anyone?

[–] tardigrade 29 points (+29|-0)

And if we’re playing oppression olympics, Black women win the gold medal. But they don’t ever mention them. Remember, when they say “white women” they really want to just say “women”.

[–] bellatrixbells 9 points (+9|-0)

Because none of them care about Black women either. BM like them when they're fighting for Black rights and they like to use them as props, but they'll turn back right away and rape and beat them just like whites do.

Abolition was not about freeing Black people. It was about freeing Black men.

[–] itazurakko 6 points (+6|-0)

Bringing it back to SNL, the season opener had Megan Thee Stallion as the musical guest (she did a number that shouted out to women who were killed in police violence, which was pretty powerful).

Went to look her up to learn more, and there was all this coverage of her having been shot by Tory Lanez. Quite a bit of arguing over this, because it turns out that as usual men are disbelieving her story, and there is quite a bit of pointed commentary by women (black women) about how indeed, so many men are happy to have women there supporting them in (what they see as) their fight, but are quick to deny any support in return or admit to their own participation in violence against women. Found it kinda interesting, and just another version of the same old, same old trope.

There's been quite a bit of commentary this summer too about how often the image of black girls and women are used in protests against police violence (though often they are portrayed as "mother of" "sister of" "daughter of" victims and not as victims themselves, until Breonna Taylor) and yet there is zero talk about men in the community victimizing those same girls.

Stuff's complicated, absolutely. But there's a bit of truth to the fact that no matter how oppressed a man is, when he comes home, he at least gets to rule over the women in his household. And that is not always pretty.

[–] feralfeminist 6 points (+6|-0)

Or Native women win the gold actually. I'm not sure why everyone keeps forgetting them.

[–] tymps 9 points (+9|-0) Edited

I also would like to point out that by denying misogyny exists they’re hurting all women, just as feminism is for all women.

Absolutely. I've come across so many of these white leftist men who talk nonstop about how much they hate white women, and they feign compassion for women of color or at least pay a little lip service to them, but that is entirely unbelievable. They don't care about women of color either. Their main goal in talking shit about white women is downplaying sexism and misogyny as a whole - they're just doing it carefully under the guise of being hip and calling out white women. However, sexism and misogyny affect ALL women, obviously including women of color who also face unique forms of racialized sexism. They don't care about women of color, but they think they're being slick with their thinly-veiled misogyny.

I'm all for people calling out white women's complicity in white supremacy and racism, but that's not often what they're doing, especially when this is coming from white men. They just have found yet another way to disguise their misogyny (though of course we see right through them). White men stand to gain a lot by vilifying white women and portraying white women as even worse than they are. Then people gas these white men up and give them all sorts of undeserved credit for calling white women out, but they didn't actually call anything out. They just expressed basic misogyny (against all women), barely hidden behind a new shield.

[–] feralfeminist 6 points (+7|-1)

I'm not sure how much I'm "for" calling out white women's "complicity." Face it, patriarchy forces all of us to be dependent on men in some way. Even lesbians usually must do business with men. And if a woman wanted to have kids for most of human history, which is entirely normal by the way -- animals reproduce and we're animals! -- she would have to go to a man for that. Since under patriarchy women usually had to marry men to have kids and under patriarchy women were owned by men when we married them... How do you really choose to be complicit in anything a man does when you're more or less forced to stay with him if you don't want your whole life ruined?

I'm not saying we were totally helpless, and not every situation was exactly the same, but man, I'm tired of hearing all this "white women owned slaves too" crap when married women couldn't own property and most women were married at some point or another. It's like freaking out about the doghouse smoking when your damn HOUSE is on fire. Where were most of the slave owners? In the male class. Who were writing ALL the Jim Crow laws? The male class. They didn't care whether women went along with them or not. Women had nearly NO legal power.

[–] Xact [OP] 5 points (+5|-0)

People also don't realize only 4% of the US owned slaves... the rich white male class. White women that owned slaves would be a handful of women that were able to argue on behalf of inheriting property if all other male relatives were dead. If we're going to talk about the inter-dynamics of oppressed groups...white women treating black slaves like shit, light skinned black women used as concubines utilizing black slaves and etc... fine, but let's be real about what actually constitutes choices and power when white men are the gods of the earth and the "privileged" women of all races are considered sub-human, living to only serve men.

[–] sensusquaeram 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

How do you really choose to be complicit in anything a man does when you're more or less forced to stay with him if you don't want your whole life ruined?

Fortunately, Bill Burr answered that on last week's SNL:

"Plowing ahead, let’s talk — let’s talk white women here, shall we? Let’s talk white women. Amazing. Amazing, your accomplishments over the last few years. I've got to tell you, the way white women somehow hijacked the woke movement, generals around the world should be analyzing this. Just to refresh your memory, the woke movement was supposed to be about people of color not getting opportunities, the at-bats that they deserve, finally making that happen. And it was about that, for about eight seconds. And then somehow, white women swung their Gucci-booted feet over the fence of oppression and stuck themselves at the front of the line. I don’t know how they did it. I’ve never heard so much complaining in my life from white women. 'My life is so hard with my SUV and my heated seats! You have no idea what it’s like to be me!' Trashing white guys, the nerve. Where’s the camera? The nerve of you white women.

Listen, I don’t want to speak ill of my bitches here, okay? I know. Well, let’s go back in history here, okay? You guys stood by us toxic white males through centuries of our crimes against humanity. You rolled around in the blood money. And occasionally, when you wanted to sneak off and hook up with a black dude, if you got caught, you said it wasn’t consensual. Yeah, that’s what you did! That’s what you did! So why don’t you shut up, sit down next to me, and take your talking-to.

Yeah, that’s what you did! That’s what you did! So why don’t you shut up, sit down next to me, and take your talking-to."

This is how punch-throwing white male patriarchists want everyone to (re)imagine women's history -- and if they're going to be pilloried, white women as a proprietary adjunct of white men are going to have to be pilloried too.

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[–] RealMapelFlavour 28 points (+28|-0) Edited

I suspect most white men are only involved in BLM because it gives them an excuse to be violent while doing nothing of substance to create actual long term changes. If they can shit on women while doing it, all the better.

[–] ratherbecomes 27 points (+27|-0)

I want someone on reddit to assert white women and black men are equally oppressed and not back down when inevitably downvoted just to see the shit show that would ensue.

[–] Bogos 34 points (+34|-0)

They’re very different forms of oppression, and misogyny is not part of the public discourse anymore so the easy phrases and statistics black people have access to aren’t there for us. I feel like I’m my own ambassador each time I bring it up.

I used to think in my late teens Andrea dworkwin was exaggerating/ angry. Sadly she is completely correct to and should be required reading.

[–] wildpansy 7 points (+7|-0)

If you think that's wrongthink just try and say poor white women aren't more privileged than billionaire black women and see how quick that's nuked. Everyone's oppressed except poor people in America.

[–] Morningmist 24 points (+24|-0)

Yeah and just before the election too. Wonder why?

[–] RisingUp 32 points (+32|-0)

If they're trying to influence votes it won't work like they want it to. The "fuck you" vote is real.

If they're just trying to set up white women as a scapegoat for whatever fuckery results from this election (and there is the scent of massive fuckery in the air) then yeah. Woke business as usual.

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