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Somebody sent me a meme she thought I would like, about Trump being accused of rape by multiple women and still getting voted in. The creator of the meme said that as a black man, he could NEVER get away with such accusations without having his career ruined. And Trump's win was an example of white male patriarchy.

As if it's the only sort of patriarchy there is.

It went over like a lead balloon with me. The creator of this meme was a religious leader of some sort. I'm thinking "Really? You wouldn't get away with it? You wouldn't?"

If you are a prominent man of any color, if you are rich, rich, RICH, chances are you will get away with abusive behavior towards women. This can range from sexual harassment to violence to occasionally murder.

And by the way, even if you are NOT rich, the statistical odds are in your favor in the US that you will never face consequences for rape:

Based on correlating multiple data sources, RAINN (Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network) estimates that for every 1,000 rapes, 384 are reported to police, 57 result in an arrest, 11 are referred for prosecution, 7 result in a felony conviction, and 6 result in incarceration.

It's not about protecting white fee fees when I raise my eye brow at the term "white pale patriarchy." I'm not interested in defending whites or white men. But don't expect me to be blind to the way leftist men and men all over the world absolve themselves of their role in patriarchy by pretending it never existed before white people.

Leftist men get confused when radical feminists of color get frustrated even them, which frustrates feminists even more. No, being poor does not absolve you of patriarchy. Being of color does not absolve you of patriarchy. Being gay doesn't absolve you of patriarchy. Being trans identified doesn't absolve you of patriarchy.

NONE OF IT DOES. Stop acting like some other feature means you can't possibly be patriarchal or benefit from patriarchy if you're a man.

I certainly believe there are male allies out there, but in my experience, they don't claim that patriarchy is limited to the elite ranks of men.

Somebody sent me a meme she thought I would like, about Trump being accused of rape by multiple women and still getting voted in. The creator of the meme said that as a black man, he could NEVER get away with such accusations without having his career ruined. And Trump's win was an example of white male patriarchy. As if it's the only sort of patriarchy there is. It went over like a lead balloon with me. The creator of this meme was a religious leader of some sort. I'm thinking "Really? You wouldn't get away with it? You wouldn't?" If you are a prominent man of any color, if you are rich, rich, RICH, chances are you will get away with abusive behavior towards women. This can range from sexual harassment to violence to occasionally murder. And by the way, even if you are NOT rich, the statistical odds are in your favor in the US that you will never face consequences for rape: > Based on correlating multiple data sources, RAINN (Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network) estimates that for every 1,000 rapes, 384 are reported to police, 57 result in an arrest, 11 are referred for prosecution, 7 result in a felony conviction, and 6 result in incarceration. It's not about protecting white fee fees when I raise my eye brow at the term "white pale patriarchy." I'm not interested in defending whites or white men. But don't expect me to be blind to the way leftist men and men all over the world absolve themselves of their role in patriarchy by pretending it never existed before white people. Leftist men get confused when radical feminists of color get frustrated even them, which frustrates feminists even more. No, being poor does not absolve you of patriarchy. Being of color does not absolve you of patriarchy. Being gay doesn't absolve you of patriarchy. Being trans identified doesn't absolve you of patriarchy. NONE OF IT DOES. Stop acting like some other feature means you can't possibly be patriarchal or benefit from patriarchy if you're a man. I certainly believe there are male allies out there, but in my experience, they don't claim that patriarchy is limited to the elite ranks of men.

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[–] Pleiades3291 47 points (+47|-0)

Kobe bryant: Raped a 19 year old hotel employee

Consequences?: After the allegations, Bryant signed a seven-year contract valued at $136 million over seven years, and he regained several of his endorsements from Nike, Spalding, and Coca-Cola. Also, guys still yell "Kobe!" when tossing things. It irritates me.

R. Kelly: Induced teenaged girls to have group sex. A few years later, video footage of him having sex with and urinating on an underage girl. Indicted on charges of child pornography. Ex-wife accused him of child molestation during divorce proceedings. Plus many, many more accusations. See: https://www.npr.org/2019/01/11/683936629/r-kelly-allegations-an-abridged-history

Consequences?: Jury found him not guilty of 14 out of 14 counts of child pornography. He has never been convicted of any of these crimes. Spotify said they would not provide his music, but reversed their decision. As of April 2020, he is currently incarcerated based on more recent charges (just denied bail, he still has not been sentenced for anything, even after all these years).

XXXTentacion: Aggravated battery of a pregnant woman. Several other incidents of domestic violence.

Consequences?: First accusation, the trial was delayed multiple times. Finally sentenced to house arrest for less than six months. The last trial regarding other allegations was dropped due to his death (a homicide, unrelated). He has a "legacy". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXXTentacion#Legacy

Ray Rice: Domestic violence (punched fiance, knocking her unconscious, then dragged her out of elevator)

Consequences?: Criminal charges dropped. He did get fired from NFL. He then filed wrongful termination and demanded $3.5 million. Although the details of the settlement were not disclosed, it was estimated that he received most of his claim.

I don't feel like going through all of these, because it's a lot, but here are some links:

https://m.ranker.com/list/nfl-players-domestic-violence/ranker-nfl

https://www.vice.com/en/article/8qwpm4/2015-nfl-report

This doesn't even scratch the surface. It doesn't matter if they're black or white. If they are a man, they can hurt and exploit women without any real consequence.

[–] tardigrade 36 points (+36|-0)

Black women can come under intense pressure not to report and cooperate in the prosecution of Black men. A high school football Star in my town was convicted of beating and raping his ex girlfriend, another student. Both of them are Black. Local stories on social media were full of comments about how she lied, and how he was railroaded because he’s Black. No one cared about the poor girl.

[–] Kittyrose 8 points (+8|-0)

Oh yikes the poor lass :"( To come forward is hard enough on someone you know, without the comments.

[–] AmyHousewine 22 points (+22|-0)

I was so enraged at how women who pointed out Kobe Bryant’s past were attacked after he died. Yes, it was a tragedy for his loved ones. Simultaneously, he was a rapist who got away with it because he was really good at throwing a ball at distance with precision.

[–] Kittyrose 18 points (+18|-0)

Mike Tyson is another one. Though he did serve time, he has retained an intact career.

But yeah colour definitely doesn't play a part...

https://www.vagabomb.com/Famous-Men-Accused-Of-Sexual-Assault-Who-Got-Away/

And now according to the internet he's adorkable because he loves pigeons and tea.

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[–] Sun_bear 41 points (+41|-0)

You just need to look at the Rotherham sexual abuse scandal to see that all men even men of colour are protected over women yes even white women. The Rotherham scandal was essentially where a gang of men of mostly Pakastani origin preyed on mostly white girls who were either in care or came from abusive homes and trafficked them into prostitution/sex slavery. These were girls as young as 11 or 12 and the police kept arresting the girls for prostitution rather than the peodophiles and groomers who were controlling/raping them.

Men of all races rape and abuse women of all races and get away with it too.

[–] littleowl12 [OP] 14 points (+14|-0)

Yup. And I while I have little patience with people who say men of color aren't marginalized, I have even less patience with people who don't realize children in foster care are marginalized, too. In fact, I think the prognosis of kids that wind up in foster care are about as equally grim for adulthood.

If anything, white foster care girls in the UK were the worst off of any of them, since the system actively protected their predators and ensured their rapists had access to them.

The privilege chain is more of a web, and women are most likely to lose out.

[–] Dravidian 26 points (+26|-0)

Cherno Biko, a trans identified black man, is not in prison ever after having confessed to the rape of a trans id. woman. If even the """most""" maginalized group "ever", black transwomen, can rape and get away with it, why would you think anybody else wouldn't?

[–] catspls 14 points (+14|-0)

Nah they still get away with it. Compared to white men they'll get called out maybe slightly more, but they still get away with it.

[–] chrysthefeminist 11 points (+11|-0) Edited

I agree that men of ALL ranks benefit from patriarchy, but just to be accurate, the creator of the meme said that as a black man his career would be ruined if just one WHITE woman accused him of rape. However, I think black men often get away with raping white women.

[–] littleowl12 [OP] 14 points (+14|-0)

Yeah, I still reject the notion that his career would be ruined, ESPECIALLY as a religious leader. Some or most of Cosby's victims were white, which was actually used as a defense among supporters. They simply erased his black victims altogether and then said "COULD a black man get away with this?" In American society, if you are rich, absolutely. He did, for decades, and it took a perfect storm of circumstances to finally shut it down. If Me Too hadn't happened, starting with Harvey Weinstein, I imagine Bill Cosby would never have been charged, let alone convicted, and all rumors would have been from "nasty women."

[–] feralfeminist 5 points (+5|-0)

The other thing is he'd admitted in a previous court case to having drugged women for sex [rape]. Someone should have investigated him then, but at least it was brought back up later and used against him.

[–] yikesforever 5 points (+5|-0)

The problem with identity politics is that it ignores economic status, which is a much better indicator of shit you can get away with, no matter your race, sex, age, etc.

Poor men benefit very little from the patriarchy, whatever their skin colour.

Also, identity politics is so American focused (even when it appears to speak about the world), as if no other country and it's people of all colours and such have any problems.

[–] feralfeminist 3 points (+4|-1)

Anyway it depends on which women a black man rapes. If he rapes black women, definitely he will get away with it. If he rapes a white woman, he'll face consequences if caught -- more, in fact, than a white man would for the same crime.

The solution, obviously, is to punish white men and black male rapists of black women more harshly.

[–] wildpansy 1 points (+1|-0)

Maybe people should realize the act of raping someone isn't less bad because of the color of the person doing it? Judge people by their actions and not skin color maybe? Of course, in that world we would also realize being a different color doesn't make your money worth less and people might wake up to the fact identity politics is practically designed to keep poor people pointing fingers at each other instead of those with real power. But no, the woke view is that Oprah is oppressed and the white guy living in a tent on the street is a powerful privileged oppressor. This is what you get when your protest movements are sponsored by Nike.