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Has it ever occurred to them that we’ve NEVER been fighting for our womanhood and that rather we’ve been fighting for our humanity?

They will never understand, because as men, they have had their humanity handed to them on a silver platter.

For us, every interaction with a man is a struggle for our humanity. As soon as we achieve humanity in one area of life with men, another man pops out of nowhere to remind us that men see us as lesser, whether it’s the homeless drunk bum yelling “bitch” at us as we walk down the street, a well-dressed defence lawyer saying in court that a woman’s rape allegations against a man are “sex regret,” or watching our mothers cook and clean while our fathers sit on their ass and watch TV.

The womanhood TiMs fight for, being submissive, wearing frilly underwear, being silly and frivolous and appearance-focused, is not the kind of womanhood worth fighting for. When have we ever fought for that and how on earth can they believe that’s a noble goal?

Has it ever occurred to them that we’ve NEVER been fighting for our womanhood and that rather we’ve been fighting for our humanity? They will never understand, because as men, they have had their humanity handed to them on a silver platter. For us, every interaction with a man is a struggle for our humanity. As soon as we achieve humanity in one area of life with men, another man pops out of nowhere to remind us that men see us as lesser, whether it’s the homeless drunk bum yelling “bitch” at us as we walk down the street, a well-dressed defence lawyer saying in court that a woman’s rape allegations against a man are “sex regret,” or watching our mothers cook and clean while our fathers sit on their ass and watch TV. The womanhood TiMs fight for, being submissive, wearing frilly underwear, being silly and frivolous and appearance-focused, is not the kind of womanhood worth fighting for. When have we ever fought for that and how on earth can they believe that’s a noble goal?

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[–] bellatrixbells 68 points (+69|-1)

LOL saw an ugly middle aged TIM on Twitter claiming "terfs" are homophobes who want to eradicate the LGB. His Twitter bio said "more feminist than you'll ever be".

They have zero understanding of womanhood, or of feminism. They think being a woman is an act or something and that they get it more than we do since this act is actually invented by and for them.

I mean, personally I don't mind if some women like being what you describe. To me the ultimate goal of feminism is for everyone to just be able to embrace whatever social role fulfills you the most. But it's not embracing feminine stereotypes that makes one a woman.

[–] Kittyrose 20 points (+20|-0)

Hah this reminds me of a former male friend who is convinced he is a feminist, before 20 minutes later trying to tell me that the british lass gangraped had sex regrets only. I've heard he's since espoused this bull too, and am fully expecting him to be transitioning in the near future given his grips about how the girls he fancies are always lesbians or bi and just not into him rolls eyes

[–] EvenMoreMinty 7 points (+7|-0)

From personal experience, scrotes that claim to be feminists are more often than not predators in disguise. It's the men that are sympathetic towards feminism that make better allies and can be trusted more, on average.

[–] Kittyrose 3 points (+3|-0)

Yes that has been my experience too, had to learn the hard way :")

[–] RawSienna 41 points (+42|-1)

I take nothing they say at face value, because what they really want is to force their fetish on society and destroy protections for kids and women.

[–] remove-the-veil 17 points (+17|-0) Edited

^ This. They will say anything to achieve that end. And of course they don't take women's fight for liberation and for our humanity into account, since that stands directly in the way of their goals.

[–] mathwitch 39 points (+39|-0)

They're trying to hurt us, but it doesn't work because it's pure projection. If I'm called a man, I just laugh. It's not true, and I'm not insecure about it. If you call a TIM a man, they get very upset, because deep down they know it's true.

Meanwhile as you point out, women have other concerns. Like all humans we value having our opinions listened to and our work credited and that's the part that's so difficult for misogynists to do.

[–] wildpansy 2 points (+2|-0)

I would be thrilled to be seen as a man in any context other than my personal love life. Like having your cake and eating it too.

[–] feralfeminist 31 points (+31|-0) Edited

You can tell they're men when they say stuff like this. Even men who don't ID as trans play the "more man than thee" bullshit games. You have to "earn" manhood, you have to maintain manhood, and your manhood can be taken away. It's a social disease, and it's not even based in biological fact.

A lot of them equate their manhood with their dick too, which is how the former became an euphemism for the latter. Lop off the "manhood" and presto, he's not a man anymore.

They're so fucking fragile. It's no wonder they're so often mentally ill. I truly believe there's more mental illness that goes on in maleness than is indicated in the DSM... because the DSM's written and maintained mostly by men and they loathe admitting to any weakness whatsoever.

So what do you think they're gonna do when they decide to be women [sic] and they're bringing that bullshit fragile conditional-masculinity crap with them? Why, they transmute it into fragile femininity, constantly under threat, needing to be earned and capable of being lost. Same as it ever was.

And because they're also guilty of psychological projection, they think that if they feel that way about masculinity and femininity, we must as well. Which, those of us who are more poisoned by the patriarchy do sometimes feel that way about womanhood, that you have to earn it and you have to maintain it and you are able to lose it. But that doesn't make it right and I don't believe that's a majority opinion among women anyway. We picked up that disordered thinking from dudes.

The actually liberating and scientifically factual outlook is that sex is a binary. You either are female, or you're not female. You either are male, or you're not male. There IS NO "more male" or "more female." It's not a fucking competition. There are only a vanishingly few people, not even most intersex people (nearly all intersex conditions are sex-specific), who are truly, biologically neither and that's still a stable state, not "more than" or "less than."

[–] remove-the-veil 11 points (+11|-0)

THANK YOU. This is so well-stated. I was going to comment myself that the fact they try to make it into a competition is itself ironic proof that that they are men. You said it perfectly!

[–] boogerita 20 points (+20|-0) Edited

“Fighting for” something doesn’t mean it’s truly able to be possessed. Womanhood is not transferable or able to be purchased. Women’s rights were for granting us freedom from being possessed; to own our own property, to make our own money, to have our own vote, to have bodily autonomy.

[–] DraDra 17 points (+17|-0) Edited

Exactly.. the monolith of “social womanhood” is precisely what women have sought liberation from (ie “women’s liberation movement”). “Womanhood” robs women of our individual humanity to the point where we are defined in the public consciousness as conceptual abstracts rather than concrete, flesh and blood human beings that we are.

ugh these people are such sick fucks.

[–] Researcher1536 17 points (+17|-0)

How can you know what womanhood is if you're not a woman. How is this not colonialism at its very wokest?

White colonialism = bad TRA colonialism when done by white TWAW men = ~so stunning, so brave~

[–] AmyHousewine 15 points (+15|-0)

That is an excellent point.

More broadly, though, anyone who believes that has put themselves into the same category of someone who insists that only through being audited for thousands of dollars can I purge my thetans and be acceptable to Xenu - they're not functioning in reality and I don't care what they think.

[–] wildpansy 0 points (+0|-0)

"We're more of a religion than Christianity, we fought to be called one!"

[–] IronicWolf 10 points (+10|-0)

This reminds me of a man not trans but fond of women’s underwear who thought it was real oppression that nobody made silky, frilly knickers for men.

[–] dworkinian 10 points (+10|-0)

Yeah, these TiMs sure have fought hard to make their fetish a reality! Men don't know what it's like to grow up as a girl. Hint: it isn't fun. Opting into womanhood because you feel like you have a ladybrain and enjoy painting your nails and spinning in dresses is disgusting.

The fact that men can go into "boymode" if they want just proves that being a woman is a costume to them.

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