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[–] Al_of_the_dead 56 points (+56|-0)

"Birthing units" LMAO. It's getting harder to tell satire from the real thing.

I am waiting to see what they call women who are having abortions or miscarriages or have not given birth yet. It can't be 'menstruators' because they're not menstruating. It can't be 'birthing parent' because they haven't given birth yet...

They're legit going to call us 'incubators' or 'gestators' and even then the handmaidens will find a way to justify our further objectification.

[–] Boudicaea 23 points (+23|-0)

I honestly did not believe it was satire until close to the end. And then I had to check into the author's other articles to confirm. I've seen this kind of talk so much the lack of self-awareness is basically expected at this point, especially coming from a man-bunned, bearded dude with a flower crown.

[–] Verdandi 8 points (+8|-0)

You're not alone! It took me a second because I've legit seen TRAs spout the same exact insane nonsense.

Do they seriously not hear themselves? When I read stuff like this (but serious) the only thought that comes to mind is "what spoiled children they are"! Imagine having such a pampered, luxurious, privileged life that you can wax poetic all day long about the "nuances of the gender spectrum" or some other pomo BS.

[–] Nona_Biba 8 points (+8|-0) Edited

Oh, Jarvis Dupont is the best. "He" is a satire account wrote by a woman, same woman who now writes Titania McGrath. Unfortunately Jarvis got booted off twitter.

edit- maybe i should link titania

[–] khlarghk 1 points (+1|-0)

Ha! Figures lol. I was like “wow! A man who gets it!”

[–] Carrots90 0 points (+0|-0) Edited

I have heard that the real author is a woman

[–] Boudicaea 0 points (+0|-0)

Looked it up and the author seems to be a man. Andrew Davies, I thinknhis name was. He has another character that is female, though, Titania McGrath. She has two books!

[–] Freyja 16 points (+16|-0) Edited

Oh I've definitely seen gestators thrown around before..

Sophie Lewis's Full Surrogacy Now: Feminism Against Family talks about how the bond between mother and child creates the illusion that children belong to parents. Now, I think there's certainly something to be said about how some parents do really view their children as property, but..that's a discussion for another time, especially when the conversation is regarding surrogacy (i.e. who is really viewing children as property in a surrogacy situation). Anyway, she proposes to turn mothers into “gestators" & claims surrogate gestation will create collective responsibility for children and dissolve all into a classless society of equality.

Personally, I think it'd be great if mothers got a bit more "it takes a village to raise a child" type of help, but this approach...it's not it. Also wrote a piece titled Gestators of All Genders: Unite. No surprise that she is definitely someone that does not like "TERFS"

I've seen it over the years elsewhere on assorted social media, but her pieces were the ones that really stuck with me as being offensive.

edit: forgot a letter

[–] [Deleted] 11 points (+11|-0) Edited

create collective responsibility for children and dissolve all into a classless society of equality.

I see this a lot in feminist spaces and it's like, have you ever been in a family? I mean, a big family with all that extended so-called help from granny and aunties, all that it takes a village stuff playing out in real time? Yes as a society we should give a shit about kids whether we're related to them or not, but in these setups, even with blood relatives who are supposed to look out for you there's a hierarchy (based on age and status) and it's more pronounced/harsher the less there's a blood bond.

Some of us find the nuclear family more freeing because we're not under the eye of our hardass, mainly female relatives who kept us in line as children through social control, gossip, enforcing of things like modesty/femininity. Without patriarchy sure, sounds fab in theory but what is the motivation for me to care for another's kid if I have my own kids? Or, even more importantly, if I have no kids? Why should I be in the village? The blood bond is one of those inconvenient things that has massive weight whether we (feminists or pro-surrogates) like to admit it or not.

[–] littleowl12 3 points (+3|-0)

THIS. And do not for a minute think that the village, be it extended family or otherwise, wouldn't sacrifice your kid to their collective needs/wants. They already to it to you, after all. You can't get away from politics, and without most autonomy over your kid, expect him/her to be put through the meat grinder. And a mother who just gave birth usually has that over-powering bond anyway. People who did not just give birth to that baby don't.

[–] starsstorm 2 points (+2|-0)

I feel like anyone promoting the extended family model doesn’t understand the dynamics in large, multi generation households or very involved extended families. Or don’t have dysfunctional or abusive relatives.

You could not pay me enough to have my controlling in laws more involved with my kids (they’ve literally caused trauma that required therapy and a marriage counselor). A friend’s in laws are from a country where the wife submits to her mother in law and the only thing that allows her any control over how her son is being raised is that she doesn’t live in the same country (as it is, they’re way more involved than she would like and she has to fight for every choice she makes for him, including his clothing).

[–] khlarghk 2 points (+2|-0)

Um this is horrifying. The mother-baby and father-baby bond is... like... a basic human need

[–] [Deleted] 18 points (+18|-0)

At first I thought this was satire... I'm still not sure

Yes, it is satire!

The best satire is when you can't tell if it actually is or not.

[–] [Deleted] 15 points (+15|-0)

tbh transactivism makes for excellent satire because you can say shit like "birthing units" and "ovum releasers" and have it be completely realistic and believable that an actual TRA would say this. now, someone who hasnt been banned from twitter post this article and see how many TRAs unironically agree lmfao

[–] chrysthefeminist 11 points (+11|-0)

This article has to be satire (I think). Anyway, it mentions "lady dick", also called "girl dick." Maybe we should refuse to call it those things. It gives them too much false validation. Maybe at most we should call it "trans dick", as I did in a recent comment because I refused to put the words "girl" or "lady" in front of "dick", even with quotation marks around them. Just a thought.

[–] Kittyrose 16 points (+16|-0)

Jarvis Dupont is a fictional satire character, thankfully (so like Titania McGrath) the amusing part is sometimes when people believe it isn't. Like the time McGrath's book Woke ended up on the informed diversity reads in a small bookshop.

[–] bellatrixbells 8 points (+8|-0)

"WHAT ABOUT MEEEEEE MY VALIDATION ???? 😭😭😭😭😭"

Damn egg incubators.

That was gold hahaha just far fetched enough so you can tell it's satire, but not quite so you're not irritated. Hahah

[–] yikesforever 4 points (+4|-0)

I was irritated as fuck, lol. Just seeing 'cisgender' is like having to climb up a wet, steep cliff to keep reading.

[–] cokolada90 5 points (+5|-0) Edited

We could always call trans people "penis-havers-who-id-as-women" or for the post surgery ones "sry-gene-havers-who-underwent-srs-and-take-hrt". Or how about "non-birthing units"? "Non-menstruators"? Seems like it would only be fair.

I hope this is satire, if it is it's very good. Is the spectator a left or right publication?

[–] Omina_Sentenziosa 4 points (+4|-0) Edited

I use ejaculators or past ejaculators if they are post-op.

If being called menstruator is fine because it's just a fair descriptor of a biological function, then I guess being called ejaculator is also OK.

[–] cranberrysalad 4 points (+4|-0)

Saving this piece of satire for when this shit hits the mainstream more than it already has. “See when y’all went from onion article to real life?”

[–] Lioness 3 points (+3|-0)

Like many trans women don’t use tampons in order to enhance our lived experience.

When the satire is so hot that it burns...

[–] Grumpykat 2 points (+2|-0)

Is this real or satire? It's impossible to tell these days.

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