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I don't know if I can post directly to it, but FSTDT stands for Fundies Say the Darndest Things. It's a sad shadow of its former self, but it's a collection of posts from religious nuts and right wingers from all over the internet. And Ovarit is often quoted for our anti-trans comments.

The best part is that people can comment on our quotes, and you'll find a lot of good stuff for o/translogic there as well. I've been having fun reading through them and seeing their insane takes, like we are denying reality and substituting our own.

I don't know if I can post directly to it, but FSTDT stands for Fundies Say the Darndest Things. It's a sad shadow of its former self, but it's a collection of posts from religious nuts and right wingers from all over the internet. And Ovarit is often quoted for our anti-trans comments. The best part is that people can comment on our quotes, and you'll find a lot of good stuff for o/translogic there as well. I've been having fun reading through them and seeing their insane takes, like we are denying reality and substituting our own.

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They can call us fundies all they want but guess what? Many of us here are just plain old liberals (of various sexualities, races and other backgrounds) that got sick and tired of being screamed at by mentally ill men in dresses. That should terrify them.

Of course they won't accept this. The alternative is realizing they're the bad guys. 🤷‍♀️

Honestly this is what happened to me as well. I tried Googling TERFS, the remembered someone mentioning this site somewhere. I came to check out what was here, and realized that you guys were not the religious fundamentalist conservative people/nazi that everyone was painting it out to be. A lot of people here are lesbians, women from various races with fairly left-leaning politics.

But more importantly, I learnt from here that the discussions here is real feminism. you always hear people paying lip service to women in the middle east and Africa, but I saw those discussions and the issues facing women in those countries over here. It was so refreshing to cut through the liberal feminist bullshit being fed by the mainstream.

Amen (irony intended, lurkers). Super liberal atheist here, much further left than my TWAM friends. They’re busy sobbing and wailing about men’s rights activism from some extremely wealthy zip codes while I’m over here like don’t let your identity politics make you forget that we’re all workers, comrade.

[–] EternaEspiral evil latina terf 19 points

Yup, young, lesbian, atheist and anarchist leaning here. We're difinitely not what they imagine. Bet they won't screenshot and comment on this lol

From what I've seen most of the women here are atheist or Jewish.

No surprises there, they're virulently antisemitic.

[–] real_feminist 42 points Edited

Funny because I'm gender critical for the same reason that I'm an atheist.

Months back I did a poll on Twitter asking GC people's religious affiliations, and a majority of the respondents were atheist or agnostic. Not scientific of me but very interesting.

[–] void 9 points Edited

Turns out being a materialist means you piss off everyone at some point. Whatever, I'm proud of it.

Same. Silly me, asking for proof or trying to understand instead of just doing what I'm told. I'm just a sinner and a transphobe.

i also agree with the large majority of christian fundamentalists that you should brush your teeth and wipe your ass.

sorry that there's ideological crossover when it comes to reality :/ i prefer it over rejecting reality because it also exists for people i don't like.

[–] GenderHeretic Assigned2LegsAB 17 points Edited

I used to read that site nearly 20 years ago and I'm surprised it still exists. They actually knew what a "fundie" (religious fundamentalist) was back then. At the time, there was a rising movement against Christian fundamentalists fuelled by the inroads they were making undermining secularism in America, most notably their insertion of creationism in American public schools by disguising it with a secular veneer, "intelligent design". They undermined evolutionary theory in science classes (eg. by referring to it as "a controversial theory" in their creationism school materials and campaigning that science classes should "teach the controversy") and even succeeded in distributing a creationist school textbook.

These creationists actually had a plan, outlined in a manifesto called the Wedge Document which was leaked around this time, to spread "intelligent design" into all school curriculums in America and eventually reshape the country to fit their theocratic religious ideals, far beyond teaching creationism. They were rightly seen as a threat to secularism, science and religious freedom, in America and even beyond (the organisation behind this, the Discovery Institute, was already trying to spruik "intelligent design" in other countries such as Australia, which is how it came to my attention).

They were finally defeated in the "Dover trial" (Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District) in 2005, where intelligent design was found to be a form of creationism and the teaching of it, including the use of their creationist textbook, religious and therefore inappropriate for public school curriculums. After this, they died down as a movement and were no longer taken seriously, which had the unfortunate side effect of no one being aware of how serious a threat they were to secularism and how much progress they had made in achieving their goals prior to defeat.

After this win, this is the point as far as I could tell where the atheist/skeptic materialist movement started to go off the rails. It was like they were aimless now. Without the threat that intelligent design represented, there were no longer clear goals, just endless smug louder and louder harping about how dumb religious people are. All the movement's sexism and other serious issues rose to the forefront and I lost interest and moved onto other things. Note that this is the point when books like Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion and Christopher Hitchens' God is Not Great were published to great success. This is when it became a neckbeard movement.

And now this is where the site "Fundies Say the Darnedest Things" has ended up: at a loss for material and taken over by TIM coomers whining about feminists. Religious fundamentalism is still a threat in many ways, but apparently the movement against it no longer has room in their porn-addled brains to give a fuck about anything beyond threats to their fetish. It really reminds me of how many people have observed that all the "LGBT" orgs went off the rails after they achieved their goal of legalising gay marriage and suddenly became the attack dogs for the anti-gay/lesbian transcult, apparently no longer caring that homophobic oppression still exists.

After this win, this is the point as far as I could tell where the atheist/skeptic materialist movement started to go off the rails. It was like they were aimless now. Without the threat that intelligent design represented, there were no longer clear goals, just endless smug louder and louder harping about how dumb religious people are.

This. It's exactly like the marriage equality organizations latching onto trans issues. They would essentially lose their jobs if they didn't.

It's insane because there's an extremely clear direction they could have headed in if the movement hadn't schismed repeatedly over the question of whether misogyny is real, and then if misogyny is real do we help men instead?

[–] GenderHeretic Assigned2LegsAB 2 points Edited

Maybe the movement should have just banned men. Not serious, but maybe kinda. Men ruined it. And women did a lot of the heavy lifting in the important gains against fundamentalism, regardless of religious status: The lead plaintiff in the Dover trial was a woman (Tammy Kitzmiller), and the testimony of star expert witness Barbara Forrest was the most important in the trial. As the author of Creationism's Trojan Horse, which was about exactly these arseholes and their strategies, she was so formidable that the creationists tried to stop her from testifying, lol. They knew she would sink them.

People who live on the internet, without a shred of irony: "Wow, there are a lot of lifelong leftists coming out as fundie Christians. Could it be that I'm mistaken, that I'm misinformed?

...No, it's the bigots who think males shouldn't be in women's spaces who are wrong."

[–] crodish 🔪🍠 30 points

I'm surprised none of them have peaked reading us.

We aren't anti-trans, we're anti-lying.

Unfortunately most of those people are so far up their own ass with their beliefs that no amount of logic can save them, they'll block it out at any cost.

I’m sure some have probably peaked, but they are too afraid to say it on the website. Or perhaps they got banned, or the comments were removed.

These people (just like those on r/GenderCynical, a sub making fun of r/GenderCynical) also frame our stuff or take it out of context and misrepresent our views though. They try to make us look as bad as possible.

but....we aren't fundies. Words mean things, dammit! A fundie is someone that believes in their religious dogma to a ridiculous degree to the point of absurditity. TRAS actually have more in common with fundies then we do!

For purposes of the site, the political right started being included years ago and anti-trans made it into that group.

More forced teaming. Forced teaming doesn't just happen when a malignant actor is trying to force association with a group he doesn't belong to and seeks to parasitize (e.g. the T with the LGB), but also when he seeks to discredit his enemies by forcing an association between them and groups he has identified as pariahs.

True and they want others to lack the critical thinking skills to question how we are anything like fundies and right wingers but hey I welcome when people want to put our thoughts on other sites. It only gets people to see our arguments and maybe question what they believe.

I don't subscribe to Patriarchal religious cults, no matter what they call themselves, not even the brand new one wrapped in my once beloved rainbow.

They are so delusional, and their dogma is why they lost me as an ally. I'm an atheist but their gender crap reeks of very strict religion. (Sorry to any religious folks in here; I grew up in a conservative, religious household and personally, I really didn't like it.)

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