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A dear long time friend, who is VERY woke, and who, until very recently had avoided discussing trans / gender self-ID issues with me (I believe she suspects I'm gender critical), unexpectedly said that she was very happy that 5 trans people had won seats in local, state and national contests in this week's U.S. election. She also said she was very surprised as two had even won seats in conservative states (Kansas and Oklahoma).

I said that I was not surprised as transgenderism is often accepted in conservative societies, societies that may even outlaw homosexuality and gender non-conformity, societies such as theocratic Iran, for instance. Societies that may curtail the material, sex-based rights of women and homosexuals, while uplifting (or, at least tolerating...not criminalizing) the subjective, innate feelings of those whose self-perception of their own sex does not match their sexual gametes.

I also said that it was VERY interesting that every single trans person to win in this week's election was a trans woman, and that not a single trans man had won a contest. I added that that was something to watch...whether the possibly growing number of trans women in politics will be matched by an analagous growing number of trans men in this sphere.

And, we left it at that.

Our relationship is still in tact, thank goodness, and, I was VERY surprised that she had brought the subject up. But, it was very civil, and, hopefully, will eventually create a chink in her cricketty "Trans women ARE women" armor.

Edit/ Updated: Just learned that one of the five (the one in Oklahoma) was actually a self-identified "non-binary" female, so my argument was not quite as strong as I had originally thought.

A dear long time friend, who is VERY woke, and who, until very recently had avoided discussing trans / gender self-ID issues with me (I believe she suspects I'm gender critical), unexpectedly said that she was very happy that 5 trans people had won seats in local, state and national contests in this week's U.S. election. She also said she was very surprised as two had even won seats in conservative states (Kansas and Oklahoma). I said that I was not surprised as transgenderism is often accepted in conservative societies, societies that may even outlaw homosexuality and gender non-conformity, societies such as theocratic Iran, for instance. Societies that may curtail the material, sex-based rights of women and homosexuals, while uplifting (or, at least tolerating...not criminalizing) the subjective, innate feelings of those whose self-perception of their own sex does not match their sexual gametes. I also said that it was VERY interesting that every single trans person to win in this week's election was a trans woman, and that not a single trans man had won a contest. I added that that was something to watch...whether the possibly growing number of trans women in politics will be matched by an analagous growing number of trans men in this sphere. And, we left it at that. Our relationship is still in tact, thank goodness, and, I was VERY surprised that she had brought the subject up. But, it was very civil, and, hopefully, will eventually create a chink in her cricketty "Trans women ARE women" armor. Edit/ Updated: Just learned that one of the five (the one in Oklahoma) was actually a self-identified "non-binary" female, so my argument was not quite as strong as I had originally thought.

18 comments

[–] lucrecia 18 points (+18|-0)

I'm glad it was civil. I'd like to believe this will make people think in general, but I think we'll get something like:

"It shows trans people are less sexist than cis people and will elect women! After all, who else voted for these candidates? Do you think cis people did? Hah, no! So even though they're a tiny minority, trans people banded together to vote in 5 women! Of course they're not going to vote in more men, there are already more than enough men! When voting, trans people look beyond their own demographic at politicians as a whole; the only demographic that only focus on themselves are cis people. Obviously. So by getting 5 women in, trans women have done more for cis women than the last 100 years of the women's liberation movement! Imagine what cis women could have achieved if they'd shut up and let trans women lead them sooner!"

[–] jvsmine 1 points (+1|-0)

this is SO funny.

also accurate. 100% could see my former friend who's a TIM saying this and me being to stunned to respond like when he said getting effed in the a made him feel like a woman...

[–] post_men_syndrome 12 points (+12|-0)

Good for you. Once you see this stuff it's so tempting to ride out and Spread The News, but I suspect this kind of thing is actually more effective.

It's not like we've got a complicated ideology that we need to sell people on - we just need them to think a bit about what they're seeing. The next time someone says that women are disadvantaged in politics because of their gender identity and not their sex, I guarantee she'll remember this conversation.

[–] finn-again 10 points (+11|-1)

There's a part of me that's glad no TiFs won, although I’m not in the least surprised at this outcome. I say this because a TiF win would both further the trans cause, normalize & advance this path for women, and put one more sector of women publicly behind transgender, thus further confusing the issue of female opposition.

But, of course, the TiM wins are what is truly enraging. They would also be the dominant story, in any case. It’s their cult, their game to win, and their leadership to display.

[–] AmyHousewine 20 points (+20|-0)

What blows my mind, even though it shouldn't anymore, is how TiMs getting elected is portrayed as a feminist victory.

[–] Ronja 8 points (+8|-0)

Same! I'd also like to know if they are counted as women for the stats? Because if so.. not only is it now okay to make up a legal construct void of basis in reality (legal sex) we're now also being lied to about the data. I just can NOT.

[–] [Deleted] 3 points (+6|-3)

I'm glad no TIFs won either. They are absolute traitors to women, wrapped up in their own narcissism and delusions. It would be the same kind of win for a man that these TIMs are exemplifying, if a TIF won

[–] [Deleted] 9 points (+9|-0)

Oddly enough, I see it as a good thing that we're getting a rash of TIMs elected to public office. (That's the scientific term for a group of TIMs, right? A rash?) Hear me out. The more TIMs in office, the more the public has to pay attention to them, which means the more they'll see how unhinged they can be. TIMs in regular society can be largely ignored by those who don't care about TRA movements because they don't impact their everyday lives. TIMs in positions of power almost inevitably abuse that power, leading to mass peak events that expose the TRA agenda for what it really is because the average American will no longer be able to ignore it, as it will impact them as well. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I have to find some kind of positive in the situation...there's gotta be a bright side to it somewhere.

[–] Lumos 2 points (+2|-0)

I agree. I want things to get as crazy as possible as fast as possible, to peak people and hopefully prevent more kids and women from being harmed.

[–] Ronja 7 points (+7|-0)

When you sense a friend is about to have an internal battle about this sort of thing, resist the temptation to gloat or do the "hah, I told you so!/ Finally you're thinking straight" be it in words or body language when they eventually do come around or return with more questions. I don't think OP is someone who would do this at all, but it's well worth reminding ourselves of sometimes, especially if we have elements of pain/tough personal struggles in our lives. I know myself well enough that I need to be mindful of this.

[–] [Deleted] 7 points (+7|-0)

eyeroll. They are men wearing dresses who are mentally ill. Same for the women injecting themselves. "Be yourself" they say.

[–] bellatrixbells 2 points (+2|-0)

Be yourself, even if that means changing everything about yourself so you can become yourself.

[–] bellatrixbells 4 points (+4|-0)

I'm not sure whether what just happened is hilariously sad or sadly hilarious, but I'm disgusted every time I see a handmaiden celebrating TIMs getting elected into office as if it were a feminist victory.

We're trying to achieve parity in politics because females need representation. We need to be able to have representatives that are like us. Electing males who "iDeNtiFy aS FeMaLeS" does not solve the problem of female underrepresentation. Especially when those female identified males, like the Sarah something one who got elected in Oklahoma, or the disgusting transbian we had as head of our women's federation here, make it a point to put female issues behind in favor of "issues that affect all women", meaning issues that affect both men and women.

I mean if they want to present themselves in a female-like way with female first names and such, whatever, and I'd argue they have a right to be represented like any other community... but if we only had "cis" men and TIMs in our parliaments females would still not be represented. We already have male allies in there, and I'm genuinely thankful to them, but having an ally who speaks for you will never be the same as speaking for yourself. Jesus, why is that so hard to understand ??

/rant

[–] jvsmine 1 points (+1|-0)

they understand it, they just don't give a shit.

"trans liberation" means more to them than female sports or female representation of any kind. they literally say this on reddit DAILY.