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As in why is there a publication ban on a person's name (Dick Levine, Thomas Schneider etc.) before they converted to the trans religion? When non-Muslims convert to Islam and take a Muslim name, there's still a record of their birth name. Everyone knows that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was once called Lew Alcindor. Everyone knows that Muhammad Ali was Cassius Clay. But not everyone knows that "Rachel" was (well, is) a Dick. And those who do know are not allowed to say so. Nowhere else is writing "AKA" or "né/née" considered a "hate crime."

When someone converts to the trans religion, they get to change their birth certificate, and actually punish people for even so much as mentioning that other name. People change their name in court all the time, or go by pseudonyms (like stage names, for example) but only the trans religion basically demands that the whole of society sign an NDA.

And why call it "dead naming"? You're not allowed to say the names of dead people? Well, that would put the headstone industry out of business. If this bizarre standard was implemented elsewhere, it would make Reggie Dwight doubly culpable for writing a song that starts, "Goodbye, Norma Jean." Because Marilyn Monroe is dead and also, that's not her given name.

What is the point of this? Do they think that their other "self" is going to be invoked like an evil spirit or something if you say "Beetle-Bruce, Beetle-Bruce, Beetle-Bruce"?

As in why is there a publication ban on a person's name (Dick Levine, Thomas Schneider etc.) before they converted to the trans religion? When non-Muslims convert to Islam and take a Muslim name, there's still a record of their birth name. Everyone knows that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was once called Lew Alcindor. Everyone knows that Muhammad Ali was Cassius Clay. But not everyone knows that "Rachel" was (well, is) a Dick. And those who do know are not allowed to say so. Nowhere else is writing "AKA" or "né/née" considered a "hate crime." When someone converts to the trans religion, they get to change their *birth certificate,* and actually punish people for even so much as mentioning that other name. People change their name in court all the time, or go by pseudonyms (like stage names, for example) but only the trans religion basically demands that the whole of society sign an NDA. And why call it "dead naming"? You're not allowed to say the names of dead people? Well, that would put the headstone industry out of business. If this bizarre standard was implemented elsewhere, it would make Reggie Dwight doubly culpable for writing a song that starts, "Goodbye, Norma Jean." Because Marilyn Monroe is dead and also, that's not her given name. What is the point of this? Do they think that their other "self" is going to be invoked like an evil spirit or something if you say "Beetle-Bruce, Beetle-Bruce, Beetle-Bruce"?

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Honestly, I think for some of them, "transitioning" is like a soft way of committing suicide. They attempt to obliterate the person they were and are, and replace that person with a new character they invent, with a fantasy of who they'd like to be. So they have a very negative response to anything tying them to their past, to that person they hate and don't want to be, to past actions they regret (or that they refuse to take responsibility for). Using their given name does that, and it shows that people who knew them before still see them as who they were in some ways. They don't want that continuity.

Honestly, I think for some of them, "transitioning" is like a soft way of committing suicide.

And yet still the "movement" insists that it's not a mental illness.

The "movement" to its foundation is riddled with attempts to eat their cake and have it too, and the only reason it's gotten anywhere near as far as it has is it is the highly atypical willingness of the mainstream and the powerful to bend over backwards to indulge them and refuse to question any aspect of what they're trying to sell us.

It’s control. Cults control the language of their followers, it’s part of controlling their thoughts, brain washing.

Transagenda just decided to act as if we were all part of the cult and control everyone’s language.

My own theory: Validation is incredibly important for people who wish to believe in something which is not reality-based or which cannot be verified or falsified using methods from ordinary reality. Trans people thirst for validation of their gender. Reminding them of their biological sex is the reverse of that validation, and makes them doubt if they actually are their new desired gender. That causes mental pain.

So I get why they want this validation. I'd love to be able to declare what other people can say to me, too, but the rest of us are not allowed to have those kinds of powers.

Rather, we are forced to perform this validation when we are forced to use certain pronouns, forced to avoid their past names and so on. I believe forcing others to comply with your wholly subjective beliefs is **exactly **like forcing others to obey the religious dictates of a religion they do not belong to.

In general, if you believe something about yourself, or if it's undeniable to everyone, you don't need to go around telling everyone it's true.

"I'm a nice guy." is another example.

Exactly. People in general ask for validation or invalidation when they are unsure about something. Like when buying a car or even right after buying it, second-guessing themselves. So the validation is necessary both because deep down they know they cannot change sex, but it is also necessary because 'gender,' as opposed to sex, only really exists in social contexts, i.e., it's the bundle of roles you are forced to play in a particular culture. Some cultures are relaxed about this, others extremely rigid. But I don't think most people feel 'gender' when they are alone. They are just themselves.

Validation is incredibly important for people who wish to believe in something which is not reality-based or which cannot be verified or falsified using methods from ordinary reality.

This exactly. Someone who has to repeat "I am valid! I am a woman! We are valid!" over and over again non-stop is clearly doing so to try to reassure themselves of something they know is not true.

In this case it isn't even a 'subjective belief'; it's either a lie, or a fantasy, or a delusion. So yeah, it does kinda wreck their fantasy to see themselves as a woman named Robert.

Deadnames especially when told to me by young people are usually mentioned with such anger. Like it is an actual crime (and see the other post where they are filing charges against middle schoolers for using the wrong pronouns on purpose). Why is there such anger and hostility around this, just like misgendering.

This is one reason I peaked because people shouldn't get so mad over something if they are finally "happy" they tranisitioned.

It is like the whole concept of triggered. I have said before I am alcoholic (or have alcohol use disorder) basically I am a drunk trying not to drink again. I used to use the word "triggered" but I complete the whole sentence.

When there is booze in my house I am triggered to drink. When these people are triggered - they are triggered to feel and god forbid they should actually feel anything.

[–] Livin 9 points Edited

I agree, I never understand their anger. It just feels so entitled and narcissistic. I always feel really bad for their parents, because I'm sure most of their parents took great care choosing their names. Usually their "dead names" have some type of meaning or significance, or they were named after a family member of significance. So it's like, why would you have so much anger and hatred towards a name that was given to you out of love (in most instances!).

One of my close friends hated her name, and she changed it for her own personal reasons. It took a long time for me and many of her family and friends to get used to her new name, but she never once got mad at us for getting her name wrong. Moreover, she never denied that she had a former name. It was a part of her history, and she didn't feel the need to deny it.

Exactly, I had a nickname and it is quite silly and juvenile. I changed it to my actual formal name when I started working so I could be taken seriously. I never get angry when my family or childhood friends use it.

It hides men's pasts. They've made it so it's practically a crime to say a person's old name and it's perfect for pedophiles and other perverts. You can't find out what they've done if they change their name and there is no linking of the new woman's name to the old men's name.

I honestly think the trans crowd is so hot on this because it helps them hide their criminal histories.

[–] spaghettiforhair adult human 🙍‍♀ 16 points

Maybe this isn't the same thing, but I have a non-English name which I anglicized when I moved to an English-speaking country (think Ekaterina -> Katrina or Catherine, not a real example). I ended up hating that name because it just sounded like English speakers butchering my real name, so I picked a completely different name when I moved again to another English-speaking country, though I never told anyone to stop calling me Katrina. All 3 names are technically my name, even if 1 I really don't like and 1 I only like when people who actually know how to pronounce it call me it. It causes confusion sometimes, but I understand that it's on me to explain my 2 or sometimes 3 (Katrina doesn't come up very often anymore) names.

I have a friend who changed his name after he emancipated his parents. His parents were very abusive, and his deadname reminded him of living with them and the abuse he endured. Hearing that name causes him a lot of distress which he can't help. I think this is more along the lines of what TRAs argue, that hearing their deadnames is distressing or "dysphoric." Still, my friend recognizes that sometimes his deadname is going to come up, and he's working with a therapist to get a better handle on his trauma. He doesn't demand that everyone just forget his deadname and pretend like he was his current name all along. You can't rewrite history, not even in your own life.

I once tried to change my name (informally) by going by a different variant of my name, albeit one that isn't normally a nick name. Reasonable people understand that this transition is going to be awkward. People know you by your name.

What I really dislike about "ohhh it causes me literal trauma to hear a word" is that people who act like that are being disrespectful. They're ignoring any stress or burden they cause someone else, to switch names for no real reason. Names are not usernames. It's just another facet of the warped belief that your identity is something that you fully control, rather than being half yours, and half what other people know you as.

[–] spaghettiforhair adult human 🙍‍♀ 6 points

I think that people change their names for all sort of legitimate reasons, like my friend. His deadname is a perfectly normal name that most people wouldn't see the problem with, but the problem is what that name means to him. It represents a part of his life that he wants to leave behind, and I respect that as his friend. There are also people that just have plain stupid names. If your given name is literally Abcde (a real example), I think it's perfectly reasonable to change it when you get older. Even if your reason for changing your name is no other reason than you like your new name better, I think that's a little odd, but whatever, it doesn't affect me. What I do care about a little more is the grace period. Are you giving people who knew you by your old name leniency because it's natural they're going to slip up, or do you treat every honest mistake like a personal attack against you?

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 6 points

I changed my surname to my mother’s surname and my first name to one the meant something to me (a real name, not some made-up nonsense word) in the 80s. Yes, it took people varying times to get used to them (not that the surname mattered except for paperwork). No, I didn’t freak out, at most I used the opportunity to say “Who?” if someone at work called me by my old name.

I would never refer to my previous names as “deadnames.”

It makes more sense when you think of it as a way to trip people up so the TIP has an excuse to abuse them.

For the fetishistic transvestites it is an interference with their erotic obsession and they react accordingly. I guess for others it's a reminder of trauma from which they want to identify away. Some are just narcissists.

[–] Tq231442 Cervix owner 7 points

I always feel bad for their parents. It took us forever to choose a name for my baby. I thought it was beautiful and I loved when people complimented it. When my baby passed I got her name tattooed on me, it's very special. It had a lot to do with our culture and ancestors. I made sure it wasn't a ridiculous name that would be embarrassing or would affect job opportunities too.

I would be heartbroken if she had changed it, but even worse if she hated it and felt insulted by it.

I'm okay with people changing names they don't like. I've never liked my first name (it isn't Julie). Even as a small child I was always coming up with other names I wanted people to call me.

[–] immersang ★♫☆❉★♬☆ 8 points

It’s one of the signs how trans ideology has further escalated just over the last few years.

I distinctly remember when Wikipedia would still list the birth names of trans people (usually like “Caitlyn Jenner (born on date xyz as Bruce Jenner)” or similar), and it wasn’t that long ago.

That's crazy because Bruce still refers to his past self as Bruce all the time. I'm sure he didn't ask them to change it, wokies did it on his behalf.

It says a lot when Bruce Jenner is the most reasonable TIM out there.

As a democrat, I hate to admit this, but the only semi-reasonable TIMs I've seen like Bruce Jenner and Blaire White are republicans. It's social suicide for someone in leftist circles to be honest about trans stuff, I would imagine even more so if you're a TIP in leftist circles. Only conservatives have the freedom to be honest on this topic.

I have a TIF friend who I would consider semi-reasonable about trans stuff, like doesn't want TIMs in female prisons, doesn't think women should be called "bleeders", etc, but she's pretty quiet about it. She'll admit it to a small number of friends that she trusts, but one time we were at a party where someone was saying some outrageous stuff about trans ideology and she stayed quiet.

I really do think this was something he did because he wanted it for himself, not because he wanted to control others. He lets his kids call him dad even after his transition because that's who he has been their whole lives.

I still think he's mentally ill, but at least I don't think he's a raging narcissist like many others.

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