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Something I find confusing and equally hypocritical and infuriating, is the interplay of self-ID, gender dysphoria (transmed, truscum), late-onset gender dysphoria (transmed, truscum), and not needing gender dysphoria to be trans (tucute), and how it all plays out in trans activism.

So bear with me, this is kind of long:

Gender dysphoria is in the DSM 5. It's considered a psychological disorder. TRAs claim that as a result of gender dysphoria there is a high suicide rate among trans people, especially in kids. There is a higher rate of depression, anxiety, eating disorder, etc in people suffering from gender dysphoria. Therefore as a result of gender dysphoria it is necessary to pursue social transition, hormones, puberty blockers, and SRS surgeries. Trans people need all of these interventions to alleviate and treat their gender dysphoria so they won't commit suicide, and can live "happy", "healthy" lives. Doctors will then prescribe hormones, puberty blockers, and will perform SRS surgeries based on a trans person's dysphoria diagnosis and from therapist recommendations and assessments of the patient's gender dysphoria and necessity for gender affirming care. Doctors and pharmacists are able to bill insurance companies and Medicaid for trans affirming care, due to their patient's diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

People suffering from gender dysphoria, will wear the clothes of the opposite sex, will take hormones, and have all of these surgeries to look like the opposite sex, to alleviate their gender dysphoria. Since trans people are pursuing all of these procedures, it wouldn't be safe for them to be discriminated from female or male spaces. For example, I'm thinking along the lines of someone like Blaire White or Jazz Jennings. I can see how it would make sense for them to use a women's bathroom, locker room, or be in a women's prison. I think most people think of someone like Blaire White or Jazz Jennings, as the reason why trans people need to use opposite sex spaces. They're not thinking of the hulking, unwashed, AGP, with beards, trying to show off their titty skittles.

Now though, there are many trans people and TRAs who claim that you don't need to have gender dysphoria to be trans (tucutes). They are equally valid and are TRANS!!!! Even if you don't have gender dysphoria you are 100% trans, because you "feel" like a woman, man, nonbinary. You can freely self-ID as trans. You are 100% valid as trans, and you have every right to access all the hormones and surgeries that you want and "need" from therapists, doctors, and insurance providers. You also have every right to access and utilize opposite sex spaces and programs. You don't have to make any effort to pass, you can just say you are trans and the opposite sex, and everyone has to agree with you. You can participate in opposite sex sports teams. You are allowed to go into the opposite sex prison. You are allowed to take the scholarships and work opportunities that were designated for the opposite sex.

However, if you are not diagnosed with gender dysphoria, how do you get access to hormones and surgeries? How does a clinic (like Planned Parenthood), or a doctors prescribe hormones and perform surgeries on people without a gender dysphoria diagnosis? How would those doctors and clinics bill insurance without a gender dysphoria diagnosis. To my knowledge, insurance companies and Medicaid all require some type of medical and/or psychological disorder diagnosis to access treatments, surgeries, and medications. Do trans people lie to their therapists in order to get a gender dysphoria diagnosis, and get recommendations to provide to their doctors who require recommendations from a mental health provider? Do these self-ID trans people just straight up lie to doctors that that they have gender dysphoria in order to get their gender surgeries and medications? Do the therapists and doctors lie to their insurance companies and Medicaid about their patient's gender dysphoria, in order to get paid? Ok, so some trans people can afford to go to private doctors and clinics, and pay in cash to get all of the hormones and surgeries they want, but a lot of trans people cannot. Like TIF bottom surgeries are insanely expensive. I would argue that 99% of the TIFs who have bottom surgery (which usually means like 4-7 surgeries), hair removal, and medical tattooing -- have their insurance companies pay for it. Or how did ContraPoints convince his doctors and bill his health insurance for hormones and trans surgeries? He said he didn't feel like a TIM until he was an adult. Did he claim to have late on-set dysphoria, or did he claim that he felt like a TIM as an adult but didn't have dysphoria, but because he "felt" like a woman, it entitled him to trans affirming care?

If you don't have gender dysphoria, but are still trans, are the suicide statistics of gender dysphoric trans people the same? There is no research on the suicide and suicidal ideation of gender dysphoric vs non-gender dysphoric trans people. People feel pressured into validating trans people, caving into all of their demands, forcing name changes and pronouns on everyone, providing kids with puberty blockers and hormones right away, and providing trans surgeries ASAP, -- all because of the fear of suicide. However, if you don't have gender dysphoria, why would the suicide baiting of gender dysphoric people be the same? Or do people who don't have gender dysphoria have the same amount of suicide and suicidal ideation as people with gender dysphoria, and are therefore entitled to all of the things that people with gender dysphoria are entitled too: gender affirming care, opposite sex spaces, opposite sex opportunities, opposite sex bathrooms, opposite sex sport teams, opposite sex jails, opposite sex hospital wings, opposite sex shelters?

How can you claim to be trans when you don't have gender dysphoria, make no attempt to pass, or have late on-set gender dysphoria, and yet claim the same interventions that were initially meant for gender dysphoric patients? Like with the prisons. One would think that a TIM prisoner would only be transferred to the women's prison if they were formally diagnosed with gender dysphoria, in therapy, on hormones, attempting to pass, and desiring surgery. However, in most cases, TIM prisoners just self-ID and can transfer. There is no diagnosis of gender dysphoria. I would assume most are not in therapy. Some are not on hormones, most have not had any SRS. Or some of those TIM prisoners temporarily get on hormones while they are in male prisons, but once they transfer to the women's, they stop their hormones.

How can you claim self-ID and demand all trans affirming care, SRS, constant external validation from everyone around you, opposite sex spaces, -- when you don't have gender dysphoria? Initially all of these treatments, interventions, and accommodations were based on gender dysphoria and the scary suicide threats. In the past it we were told that trans people NEED trans affirming care, opposite sex spaces, and external validation because of their gender dysphoria diagnosis (which is a valid medical psychological condition), that they are so sick that they would harm themselves or commit suicide because they cannot transition, and that they are not safe and "cis" men could potentially physically harm and/or kill them.

It doesn't make sense, that people can now freely self-ID without any type of assessment or gatekeeping, and they can get all of trans interventions, surgeries, medical care, accommodations, external validation, pronoun changes they want, because they feel "trans" and believe that they are the opposite sex. For example if I had cancer, I would need various treatments (radiation, chemotherapy, surgery), I may qualify for Make A Wish Foundation, I may join other cancer support groups, I may qualify for cancer specific scholarships and grants. However, if I don't have cancer, why would I have access to radiation, chemotherapy, and surgery -- just because I "feel" like I have cancer. Why would my doctors freely give me chemotherapy and radiation without checking that I have cancer, just because I told them I had cancer? Why would I be able to use Make A Wish Foundation, join cancer support groups, and benefit from cancer specific scholarships and grants, if I just "feel" like I have cancer and therefore I am entitled to these programs and groups. A person with cancer is usually immunocompromised, and so the people around them have to be careful not to expose them to any viruses. However, if I don't have cancer, but I "feel" like I cancer, why would I have the right to demand that everyone around me be super careful and mindful not to get me sick?

Something I find confusing and equally hypocritical and infuriating, is the interplay of self-ID, gender dysphoria (transmed, truscum), late-onset gender dysphoria (transmed, truscum), and not needing gender dysphoria to be trans (tucute), and how it all plays out in trans activism. So bear with me, this is kind of long: **Gender dysphoria is in the DSM 5. It's considered a psychological disorder.** TRAs claim that as a result of gender dysphoria there is a high suicide rate among trans people, especially in kids. There is a higher rate of depression, anxiety, eating disorder, etc in people suffering from gender dysphoria. Therefore as a result of gender dysphoria it is necessary to pursue social transition, hormones, puberty blockers, and SRS surgeries. Trans people need all of these interventions to alleviate and treat their gender dysphoria so they won't commit suicide, and can live "happy", "healthy" lives. Doctors will then prescribe hormones, puberty blockers, and will perform SRS surgeries based on a trans person's dysphoria diagnosis and from therapist recommendations and assessments of the patient's gender dysphoria and necessity for gender affirming care. Doctors and pharmacists are able to bill insurance companies and Medicaid for trans affirming care, due to their patient's diagnosis of gender dysphoria. People suffering from gender dysphoria, will wear the clothes of the opposite sex, will take hormones, and have all of these surgeries to look like the opposite sex, to alleviate their gender dysphoria. Since trans people are pursuing all of these procedures, it wouldn't be safe for them to be discriminated from female or male spaces. For example, I'm thinking along the lines of someone like Blaire White or Jazz Jennings. I can see how it would make sense for them to use a women's bathroom, locker room, or be in a women's prison. I think most people think of someone like Blaire White or Jazz Jennings, as the reason why trans people need to use opposite sex spaces. They're not thinking of the hulking, unwashed, AGP, with beards, trying to show off their titty skittles. Now though, there are many trans people and TRAs who claim that you don't need to have gender dysphoria to be trans (tucutes). They are equally valid and are TRANS!!!! Even if you don't have gender dysphoria you are 100% trans, because you "feel" like a woman, man, nonbinary. You can freely self-ID as trans. You are 100% valid as trans, and you have every right to access all the hormones and surgeries that you want and "need" from therapists, doctors, and insurance providers. You also have every right to access and utilize opposite sex spaces and programs. You don't have to make any effort to pass, you can just say you are trans and the opposite sex, and everyone has to agree with you. You can participate in opposite sex sports teams. You are allowed to go into the opposite sex prison. You are allowed to take the scholarships and work opportunities that were designated for the opposite sex. However, if you are not diagnosed with gender dysphoria, how do you get access to hormones and surgeries? How does a clinic (like Planned Parenthood), or a doctors prescribe hormones and perform surgeries on people without a gender dysphoria diagnosis? How would those doctors and clinics bill insurance without a gender dysphoria diagnosis. To my knowledge, insurance companies and Medicaid all require some type of medical and/or psychological disorder diagnosis to access treatments, surgeries, and medications. Do trans people lie to their therapists in order to get a gender dysphoria diagnosis, and get recommendations to provide to their doctors who require recommendations from a mental health provider? Do these self-ID trans people just straight up lie to doctors that that they have gender dysphoria in order to get their gender surgeries and medications? Do the therapists and doctors lie to their insurance companies and Medicaid about their patient's gender dysphoria, in order to get paid? Ok, so some trans people can afford to go to private doctors and clinics, and pay in cash to get all of the hormones and surgeries they want, but a lot of trans people cannot. Like TIF bottom surgeries are insanely expensive. I would argue that 99% of the TIFs who have bottom surgery (which usually means like 4-7 surgeries), hair removal, and medical tattooing -- have their insurance companies pay for it. Or how did ContraPoints convince his doctors and bill his health insurance for hormones and trans surgeries? He said he didn't feel like a TIM until he was an adult. Did he claim to have late on-set dysphoria, or did he claim that he felt like a TIM as an adult but didn't have dysphoria, but because he "felt" like a woman, it entitled him to trans affirming care? If you don't have gender dysphoria, but are still trans, are the suicide statistics of gender dysphoric trans people the same? There is no research on the suicide and suicidal ideation of gender dysphoric vs non-gender dysphoric trans people. People feel pressured into validating trans people, caving into all of their demands, forcing name changes and pronouns on everyone, providing kids with puberty blockers and hormones right away, and providing trans surgeries ASAP, -- all because of the fear of suicide. However, if you don't have gender dysphoria, why would the suicide baiting of gender dysphoric people be the same? Or do people who don't have gender dysphoria have the same amount of suicide and suicidal ideation as people with gender dysphoria, and are therefore entitled to all of the things that people with gender dysphoria are entitled too: gender affirming care, opposite sex spaces, opposite sex opportunities, opposite sex bathrooms, opposite sex sport teams, opposite sex jails, opposite sex hospital wings, opposite sex shelters? **How can you claim to be trans when you don't have gender dysphoria, make no attempt to pass, or have late on-set gender dysphoria, and yet claim the same interventions that were initially meant for gender dysphoric patients?** Like with the prisons. One would think that a TIM prisoner would only be transferred to the women's prison if they were formally diagnosed with gender dysphoria, in therapy, on hormones, attempting to pass, and desiring surgery. However, in most cases, TIM prisoners just self-ID and can transfer. There is no diagnosis of gender dysphoria. I would assume most are not in therapy. Some are not on hormones, most have not had any SRS. Or some of those TIM prisoners temporarily get on hormones while they are in male prisons, but once they transfer to the women's, they stop their hormones. How can you claim self-ID and demand all trans affirming care, SRS, constant external validation from everyone around you, opposite sex spaces, -- when you don't have gender dysphoria? Initially all of these treatments, interventions, and accommodations were based on gender dysphoria and the scary suicide threats. In the past it we were told that trans people NEED trans affirming care, opposite sex spaces, and external validation because of their gender dysphoria diagnosis (which is a valid medical psychological condition), that they are so sick that they would harm themselves or commit suicide because they cannot transition, and that they are not safe and "cis" men could potentially physically harm and/or kill them. It doesn't make sense, that people can now freely self-ID without any type of assessment or gatekeeping, and they can get all of trans interventions, surgeries, medical care, accommodations, external validation, pronoun changes they want, because they feel "trans" and believe that they are the opposite sex. For example if I had cancer, I would need various treatments (radiation, chemotherapy, surgery), I may qualify for Make A Wish Foundation, I may join other cancer support groups, I may qualify for cancer specific scholarships and grants. However, if I don't have cancer, why would I have access to radiation, chemotherapy, and surgery -- just because I *"feel"* like I have cancer. Why would my doctors freely give me chemotherapy and radiation without checking that I have cancer, just because I told them I had cancer? Why would I be able to use Make A Wish Foundation, join cancer support groups, and benefit from cancer specific scholarships and grants, if I just *"feel"* like I have cancer and therefore I am entitled to these programs and groups. A person with cancer is usually immunocompromised, and so the people around them have to be careful not to expose them to any viruses. However, if I don't have cancer, but I *"feel"* like I cancer, why would I have the right to demand that everyone around me be super careful and mindful not to get me sick?

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Gender dysphoria is in the DSM 5 but have you read it? I have.

as someone who played with star wars toys as a child and thus played with boys as they all played with the same toys as me, wore tshirts, joggy bottoms and comfortable trainer shoes to climb trees etc, I would be classed as a Trans Man by the DSM5 criteria for my gender none conformaty if I was a child today (as it is I am a heterosexual mother who is very happy with being a gender none conforming woman, its never done me any damage).

my older brother according to the DSM5 would also be considered gender none conforming and thus a trans man due to wearing dresses as a child, playing with girls toys and subsequently playing with female children whom shared his interest in toys, thankfully his childhood long predates all this rubbish and he is a heterosexual man who is an electrician by trade and carer to our father.

my sister might have been the only one to escape the label of none conformity to gender set out in the DSM5 but I'm not 100% sure, she didnt dress girly either and went thru phases of playing with both boys and girls toys and trained in both metal work (a predominately male field) and jewellery making. depends when they might have tried to snag her in the net.

in conclusion the DSM5 is a load of bollocks designed to sign up as many kids as possible to costly medical interventions on sexist outdated flimsy evidence that reads like something dystopian out of a fascist playbook.

[–] NoDayForADo 6 points Edited

With regard to this one - How can you claim to be trans when you don't have gender dysphoria, make no attempt to pass, or have late on-set gender dysphoria, and yet claim the same interventions that were initially meant for gender dysphoric patients?

One of the things that pisses me off the most about "Lia Thomas" is this - girls are known to leave sports at 2-3 times the rate of boys, after puberty. There are a lot of reasons but one of them is insecurity about their bodies.

I have an incredibly difficult time believing that Will Thomas is so dysphoric about his body that he needs to transition and he needs to swim with the women or he will kill himself - after he has spent YEARS in the water with men, his body on display, under the public eye, and not dropped out. How has he made it this long, if it causes him so much distress, to the point that at the very, very end he needs to make this drastic change?

I don't buy it.

I think he's a basic white dude shitting himself about what he will do after college ends, knowing the job market is a nightmare right now, knowing basic white dudes are at the bottom of the barrel, and knowing transwomen are now a special and protected class. (I think this explains why a LOT of boys are getting sucked into this... this generation has been raised to hear "cis white hetero men" mocked so why wouldn't they distance themselves from it? it makes me horribly sad to realize the extent to which 'woke' people have created this monster, and it makes perfect sense the kids would respond this way - I am seeing this as the mother of a teenage boy and it's made me very aware the distinction between not wanting the world to revolve around "cis white het men" and acting as if "cis white het men" are absolute garbage. )

Supposely he has dated women but I don't know if any have come forward to talk about it... "dated" can mean one or two failed dates. He's said he's interested in women. Maybe he's struck out in that department and that feeds into his distress?

Dude is a mental health nightmare... and I don't buy that it's because he is trans. I know tall women stuggle to buy clothes, and trying to fit into women's clothes with both his height and the broad shoulders of a man... one of the earlier pictures I remember seeing of him was in a striped romper and I am positive it had to have been riding up his ass because it was not made for someone his size. Most of the pics of him in women's suits look laughable because they do not fit. How does THIS not cause severe distress?

TRAs say "No one would pretend to be a women just to excel at sports!" but ... I don't buy it.

There is research on suicide and suicide ideation in young people. (I’m not sure about adults, but there is one longitudinal 30 year Swedish study that showed post-surgery trans adults had a much higher suicide rate than the general population.) Young trans kids’ suicide rate is the same as non-trans kids who suffer from mental illness, which to me is proof that trans kids are not being treated for underlying mental health issues.

[–] ovaryacting Dilatemadaboutit 4 points

I just wanted to comment that this is a fantastic write up of some of the many, many inconsistencies with TRA logic. As for how they access treatment without dysphoria, they just say they need it. That's it. That's 'affirmative' care.

As the whole trans cult is built on the ultimate hot take of "men are women", obviously you have to get more and more insane to justify it. Like a house built on sand, no foundation.

So therefore it flies under the radar how insanely stupid both the tucutes and the truscums are. It's crazy they belong to the same movement because they will absolutely believe the opposite things in some instances. But kind of like the woman hating religions, they bond over their most important tenets TWAW and well, woman hating. TWAW is a bit like the trinity, now I'm not a christian and i hate that religion along with most others, but ive heard christians say they'll accept anyone as christians as long as they believe in the trinity (jw having a sad).

I think the transes are the same. If you believe men can be women, you're good. Although i feel the conflicts are getting more in the open, of you really want to feel pure trans insanity, i realllllly recommend this exchange here where a TIM is frustrated with a neopronoun enjoyer and it's just so fucking funny because that TIM does fundamentally not get that we feel about him as he feels about this neopronoun crazy person.

The fetishistic transvestites (AGPs) are the reason for this contradiction. In the DSM-III, gender identity really meant sex identity, because it was defined as distinct from gender expression, and gender identity disorder meant extreme distress over one's anatomic sex. (I quote these definitions here.) So all the "girldick" and "lesbians can have penises" TIMs of today would necessarily be classified as transvestites back then. Transvestites could not get surgery for gender dysphoria, and could not change their legal gender. So they've been working to redefine gender dysphoria to include gender stereotypes, and to implement self-ID.

I'm not saying transvestites can't have dysphoria, but these are more like moments of clarity when they disbelieve their own trans identity. They want us to believe this is just like gender dysphoria --or gender non-conformance-- in children, and the transvestites think it's best for these children to undergo the procedures they wish to have undergone because of their fetish. The main regret of TIMs is not transitioning earlier. (Source, page 13)

[–] BiologyIsReal 1 points Edited

Because the field of "gender medicine" has been a joke from the very begining. It's not like there has ever been a good medical rationale or evidence to help some men to pretend to be "women" through exogenous hormones and surgeries. So, why wouldn't the charlatans working for "gender" clinics go along with their patients self-diagnostics? It's also a myth there was much "gatekeeping" in the old days. AGP men had always have access to this stuff, especially if they had the money to afford it.