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[–] BlackCirce 🔮🐖🐖🐖 7 points

I think it’s because this isn’t a universal experience. Women who succeed in passing as men do benefit by it socially. There are some male peer groups who welcome a woman who joins their team. Women and girls have been disguising themselves as men for ages because predators avoid other predators. Sometimes the only way for a woman to get what she wanted was to be disguised as a man. The danger is there yes, but some women want more than what safety can provide, they’re willing to risk being hurt by men for the chance to have much more than an ordinary woman’s life.

The other thing is that many of these women despise women culturally. They believe they aren’t like us. They’re different in a way that makes them not deserving of women’s low status. They’re free thinkers and contrarians, they aren’t afraid to walk alone at night, they want to fight, they’re willing to take risks, they are chill, they listen to loud music and watch porn / violent movies or whatever. They identify with an archetypical male personality and culture. They’re “one of the guys.” Changing their bodies to ressemble men’s or at least be ambiguous is part of their cultural identification. It’s a full body “do it to Julia.” And in my experience this attitude doesn’t necessarily go away if they stop identifying as trans.

[–] ProxyMusic 6 points Edited

Sexual abuse in childhood is linked to homosexuality which makes sense from a safety and wellness perspective.

Huh? Sounds like you are contending that some people become homosexual in response to the trauma of CSA. Or that children who will later grow up to become homosexual are more likely to be targeted, preyed upon and victimized by pedophiles. Yikes to both these theories.

Fact is, lots of people of all sexual orientations were sexually abused as children. If gay men and lesbians report high levels of experiencing sex abuse as children, that just goes to show a) researchers made a point of asking them and publicizing the findings; and b) child sex abuse is all too common, affecting a great many people who once were children.

What sexual abuse in childhood is most fundamentally linked to is the criminality and depravity of pedophiles and others who commit child sex abuse. Sexual abuse in childhood is linked to the all-too common phenomenon of bigger people preying on and abusing people smaller and weaker than themselves.

Huh? Sounds like you are contending that some people become homosexual in response to the trauma of CSA. Or that children who will later grow up to become homosexual are more likely to be targeted, preyed upon and victimized by pedophiles. Yikes to both these theories.

My apologies. That was not my intention to come across that way. I know that homosexuality is a trait you are born with. I do believe that certain people who have experienced sexual trauma like Teena Brandon in their formative years may have lead to a falsely obtained belief that she was born into the wrong body and then decided to opt out of womanhood.

What sexual abuse in childhood is most fundamentally linked to is the criminality and depravity of pedophiles and others who commit child sex abuse. Sexual abuse in childhood is linked to the all-too common phenomenon of bigger people preying on and abusing people smaller and weaker than themselves.

100% agree.

What I do not understand is how someone who has gone through the intense trauma of sexual abuse and then decide to try to become like their assailants.

But identification with one's oppressor and abuser happens all the time. Some people who were bullied and abused become bullies and abusers of others.

But identification with one's oppressor and abuser happens all the time. Some people who were bullied and abused become bullies and abusers of others.

That actually makes a lot of sense.

Might be an attempt to become safe. If these things happen to girls and women, then they won't happen to me if I don't look like a girl or a woman.

Though I do see a lot (A LOT) of misogyny among TIFs. They have internalized it and they define women in misogynistic and sexist terms rather than as a person of female sex who is also an individual with her own talents and excellencies.

Sexual abuse in childhood is linked to homosexuality which makes sense from a safety and wellness perspective.

Gonna need some sources on this.

It's been like 6 years for me but a showing of that movie at a university with a panel afterward was my first actual exposure to how "dysphoria" worked. The panelists discussed how brandon's naivete showed during the scene with the trucks and stuff- "he" doesn't yet understand he's the butt of a joke by being such a crazy footloose guy. He doesn't understand he's seen as a dangerous idiot because he doesn't fully understand the unspoken of male socialization. and people who buy it don't know that. They don't know "he" is a woman playing along. I'm using he here because in the eyes of the other characters Brandon is a guy.

during the q and A the women in the panel talked about how the movie switches from a straight gaze to a lesbian gaze at the end and this is one of the issues with the movie. i asked why brandon wouldn't have just been okay receiving oral sex from the girlfriend and they were like "He doesn't even want to be reminded of his vagina existing". I felt dumb for asking the question later when dysphoria made sense to me, but now I'm wondering, does that end scene, while just a fiction, represent healing of Teena via embrace of homosexual identity?

Because now that I'm older, I'm connecting the dots, and I'm realizing if I was a rape victim i wouldn't want to be reminded my vagina existed either. Attempting to escape femaleness was her attempt to get the target off herself, an attempt to have some kind of power left in her body. I wish I realized why before all this stuff started making sense. I'd do anything to go back to that q&a and ask about the association of trauma and transness, because in 2015 I wouldn't be labelled a transphobe for simply not understanding or asking a question to a professor.

The panel was run by older women by the way.

I thought it was interesting the pain at the end is framed as them hating Brandon for being Trans and not for being Female. And of course irl the girlfriend did end the relationship or so she claims...didn't she sue for slander or something because the film depicted the sexual relationship continuing even after it's revealed that brandon was female?

Ultimately I feel bad for brandon, I thought she was beautiful, and I genuinely feel a well in my heart when i think about her death. I think it's important for people to remember her biological femaleness was central to her rape and murder. And it was toxic masculinity and homophobia that not only caused her to run from herself but also made the killers hate her.

I don't think TIFs are aware of the risk of males murdering them in revenge for trying to pass for male.

They really think that women=subhuman and that they are "not like other girls" and men will accept them as human as soon as they voice their wish to be considered human.

At least the idiotic, modern TIFs. Pretty much all trans-identified women, I suppose.

Butch lesbians and other masculine looking women who pass for male because they really can pass, and notice they get treated better that way (there's been a few examples in history) are another story.

Are you arguing that homosexuality is a response to childhood sexual trauma?

[–] [Deleted] 1 points Edited

I'm not arguing anything. I was trying to express a viewpoint that women who are born homosexual and have experienced sexual abuse in their formative years may be more likely to believe that they were born into the wrong body.

Your exact words: “Sexual abuse in childhood is linked to homosexuality which makes sense from a safety and wellness perspective.”

Just admit you’re homophobic and don’t know anything.

Just because I could not properly articulate myself in the OP does not in anyway shape or form mean that I am homophobic.

Just admit you like to start drama then go outside and touch grass...