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Personally I hate it.

I understand some, especially those who use “yoni” have good intentions and want women to reclaim their sexuality or whatever but it just strikes me as pornified.

I wasn’t sure what you all would think.

Personally I hate it. I understand some, especially those who use “yoni” have good intentions and want women to reclaim their sexuality or whatever but it just strikes me as pornified. I wasn’t sure what you all would think.

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[–] crlody 28 points (+28|-0)

Yoni doesn't bother me but I can't stand the p-word, to the point that I can't even say it 😬

[–] yesisaiditxx [OP] 19 points (+19|-0)

I can’t say it out loud either. I once broke up with a guy when I was a youngster just because he told me he thought vagina sounded awkward and asked me to use that word. I obviously waited a little bit and made it civil, but I was done right that moment.

[–] ComplicatedSpirit 23 points (+23|-0)

What the fuck, “vagina” sounds awkward? I would’ve said, “Yeah, I hate ‘penis’ for the same reason. That’s why I say ‘dinky’.”

[–] kalina 12 points (+12|-0)

yeah i hate it because for me it's such a 'porn' word. I kinda like yoni tbh but I'm sure people will find a way to ruin it

[–] HelgeNacht 4 points (+4|-0)

I think the internet porn connotation makes p---y cringe-worthy to me.

[–] eaglerave 24 points (+24|-0)

They make me cringe a bit. If you're talking about a vagina, vulva or uterus, just call it a vagina, vulva or uterus. There are words for these things! We don't need even more euphemisms.

[–] orangelimeapple 22 points (+22|-0)

How in the world is the word "yoni" pornified? Yoni is a Sanskrit word that has been interpreted to literally mean the womb, and the female organs of generation. It also connotes the female sexual organs such as "vagina", "vulva", and "uterus", or alternatively to "origin, abode, or source" of anything in other contexts. Never in my life has yoni had a connotation to any thing porn like, pussy on the other hand...

[–] yesisaiditxx [OP] 11 points (+11|-0)

Thanks, I think it’s unfortunate that even this potentially good language and conception of women’s bodies often lends itself to creepiness because I’ve only heard yoni from:

1) my old landlords, a polyamorous couple that fancied themselves some kind of sexual spiritual progressives. The husband tried to get with me one time I had to come up to their place and referred to it as such. The wife offered “healing massages” and called it that to her clients.

2) I’ve seen it in super “sex positive” circles that promote all of the typical tropes like valorizing sex work, promoting enjoying degrading sex as feminist, etc.

3) the kind of “yoni eggs” and yoni wands. Just adding this since it’s the only other means I’ve encountered it, but it’s not relevant to my discomfort.

[–] orangelimeapple 7 points (+7|-0)

Oh dear, that is creepy. I guess I've always assumed yoni to be the "all inclusive" term for our female sexual organs, but now that you mention your experiences I can see how it can sound off-putting to some.

[–] HelgeNacht 7 points (+7|-0)

Yes. I associate "yoni" with Kama-sutra obsessed polyamory groups.

[–] springs 4 points (+4|-0)

As an Indian that actually uses Yoni is my daily language cause Hindi adopted words from Sanskrit and it means the same in the language I speak, Yoni is a very "scientific" term kinda like calling sex as intercourse. Like another comment mentioned that she associates Yoni with Kama-Sutra poly groups, they really do take the worst words from my culture and language and adopt them to the point even I can't help but think that and not the native word.

I have never seen Yoni seen in a pornographic context too, I don't understand the correlation either.

[–] GCRadFem 18 points (+18|-0)

I don’t like either word. What bugs me the most is every time I hear or read the vulva called vagina. Vagina is not an all-purpose word to describe female genitalia.

[–] ComplicatedSpirit 17 points (+17|-0)

I think the initial idea of “women’s spirituality” was done in good faith, but then it, in large part, went the way of gender roles and stereotypes itself (not entirely so, of course - there are some female-based spiritualities that are free of gender ideology, such as some modern-day female groups worshiping independent, powerful, wise goddesses like Athena). Like many other things, it became a tenet of libfeminism that took the things that oppressed women, dressed them up in a pretty gift box, and we were supposed to think that now that they’re packaged differently, they’re actually liberating.

“Reject the old, patriarchal Father God who was angry and punished and was male and valued harsh revenge and power and masculinity! Instead, replace him with this new Goddess, a Mother who loves and births her children from her divine womb and yoni, who is both virginal and matriarchal, who is nurturing, feeding, bountiful, beautiful to gaze upon, and the epitome of mercy. She is too loving to be concerned with punishment and justice; she always forgives her children, as a mother does. She never raises a weapon. She is a healer and a caregiver, not a wrathful God of vengeance.” Like, thanks. So she and I are still in the same gender role, more or less, that I was in when I worshipped that old Father God, except now I talk about “yoni” all the time and wear a lot of beads. I’m so liberated. /s

I find it somewhat ironic that in the ancient world, the societies that had the most powerful goddesses - such as the Athenians and the Spartans, who both had Athena as their titular deity, but also worshipped Artemis, for example - were also the most misogynistic. In Indian society, there are numerous examples of powerful, even violent goddesses, but that doesn’t translate into power for women in society.

[–] femuhnist 8 points (+8|-0)

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the earth goddess mother worshipping thing either. I mean, it's better than many alternatives, but once you spend too much time hanging out with too many neo-hippies you realize how super regressive and misogynist a lot of these ideas are, too.

[–] Calico 7 points (+7|-0)

Some versions of those goddesses were also quite misogynistic. Athena in particular has one myth where she literally said she was superior to other women and respected men more than women because she was born directly out of Zeus’ head and not some gross female parts. Artemis was also considered the bringer of sudden death in childbirth.

Let’s not rush to give these patriarchal societies too much credit, even their “strong independent” female figures tend to have a catch.

[–] delicate_silicate 10 points (+10|-0)

Wtf is yoni? I only know what Yanni is and the image I conjure up makes me laugh out my nose.

[–] shewolfoffrance 1 points (+1|-0)

Sometimes I forget that Yanni exists, and when I remember, it's always good for a laugh.

[–] Seven-of-Wine 8 points (+8|-0)

I am not very familiar with yoni but neither sound very feminist to me.

[–] DBrooke 16 points (+16|-0)

Yeah, I know a lot of women say "pussy", but it always feels kinda male-gaze to me.

Absolutely male-gaze I’m convinced that a lot of women using it comes from men using it to them and them just rolling with it. Plus it sounds sexy! (sarcasm)

[–] femuhnist 7 points (+7|-0)

I hate it too, but how do we feel about cunt?

[–] yesisaiditxx [OP] 9 points (+9|-0) Edited

Hmm. Cunt is tricky because the way it’s used as a more intense “bitch” obviously overshadows any literal genital reference but somehow when I think of it being used in that way I think of a 17th-century British poem basically about pre-ejaculation:

But whilst her busy hand would guide that part / Which should convey my soul up to her heart, / In liquid raptures I dissolve all o’er, Melt into sperm, and spend at every pore. / A touch from any part of her had done ’t: / Her hand, her foot, her very look's a cunt./ Smiling, she chides in a kind murmuring noise, / And from her body wipes the clammy joys, : When, with a thousand kisses wandering o’er / My panting bosom, “Is there then no more?” / She cries. “All this to love and rapture’s due; / Must we not pay a debt to pleasure too?”

That honestly cracks me up. So I think if it were used in an erotic sense that was favorable to the woman it’s fine. Have a I heard it as more than an insult some women hurl at others? Unfortunately not.

PS the poem is The Imperfect Enjoyment by John Wilmot

[–] femuhnist 5 points (+5|-0)

This reply is so amazing, it made asking this question worth it.

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy that some 17th-century women were also like, “lol is that it? what about...me maybe?”

tale as old as time...

[–] AmyHousewine 2 points (+2|-0)

One of my profs, a medievalist, said it comes from an old English word for a rabbit warren, because of connotations of fertility. While in North America it’s generally used as the nastiest thing you can call a woman, and so I have a lot of negative associations because of that, hearing that origin story has made me rather fond of it.

I loathe that. It’s moved too far away from its inoffensive usage centuries ago.

[–] darr 6 points (+6|-0)

I hate the assumption that most or all women are ok with the P word. I hate it and will never let anyone refer to my genitalia in that way.

That said, I appreciate it in an ironic context when being used in retaliation to Trump's pussy grabbing comments.

[–] worried19 6 points (+6|-0)

I don't have negative associations with "yoni," although it sounds very new age. I would never use it.

I loathe "pussy" and "cunt" due to their use as slurs. None of the other euphemisms I've ever heard appeal to me.

[–] shveya 4 points (+4|-0)

Lol That was my first thought about "yoni" too. It sounds like something a woman who drives out to the desert to eat her baby's placenta would say. (No offense to any women like that, I quite like them).

[–] lucrecia 6 points (+6|-0)

Hah, I haven't seen the word 'yoni' enough to have any associations with it, but I find 'pussy' ridiculous. xD May help them get past certain censors, though. Harder to smear a group as being prudes or anti-sex or whatever.

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