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I found this charity via a graphic they put out that read "Prisons do not end domestic violence. They are domestic violence."

Their stated goal is to protect victims of domestic violence who have been imprisoned by... abolishing all prisons. A large number of their case studies are actually TIMs, and they focus heavily on the importance of not judging on a case by case basis, but rather applying the same logic to everyone. If any defendant can say the other person started it, they are completely in the clear and should face no consequences.

"The “politics of exceptionalism” occurs when people advocate for the freedom of an individual only because they are considered exceptional to other imprisoned people — for example, the perfect survivor, the perfect immigrant, etc. S&P does not get down like that. When we support individual defense campaigns, or when we call for the freedom of “survivors” in particular, we promote a “politics of relationality,” or strategies that help people engage the broader crisis of criminalization"

While their goal of freeing "people in women's prisons" who are jailed because they defended themselves against domestic violence is great, I feel like they are sacrificing all the women who rely on the imprisonment of their abusers to do so, not to mention their weird focus on TIMs and their fanatical devotion to never imprisoning or punishing anyone who can make a claim that someone else started it.

Am I off base? What are your thoughts?

I found this charity via a graphic they put out that read "Prisons do not end domestic violence. They are domestic violence." Their stated goal is to protect victims of domestic violence who have been imprisoned by... abolishing all prisons. A large number of their case studies are actually TIMs, and they focus heavily on the importance of not judging on a case by case basis, but rather applying the same logic to everyone. If any defendant can say the other person started it, they are completely in the clear and should face no consequences. "The “politics of exceptionalism” occurs when people advocate for the freedom of an individual only because they are considered exceptional to other imprisoned people — for example, the perfect survivor, the perfect immigrant, etc. S&P does not get down like that. When we support individual defense campaigns, or when we call for the freedom of “survivors” in particular, we promote a “politics of relationality,” or strategies that help people engage the broader crisis of criminalization" While their goal of freeing "people in women's prisons" who are jailed because they defended themselves against domestic violence is great, I feel like they are sacrificing all the women who rely on the imprisonment of their abusers to do so, not to mention their weird focus on TIMs and their fanatical devotion to never imprisoning or punishing anyone who can make a claim that someone else started it. Am I off base? What are your thoughts?

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[–] SilkySquid 6 points (+6|-0)

I think there should be no private prisons, only govt handled ones (who do need a lot of oversight and I'm definitely open to some reform in the courts). But abolish prisons? Even just women's prisons? Hell no. This is such a bad idea I wouldn't even bother putting the reasons why into words.

[–] Mafalda 1 points (+1|-0)

Right, for profit private prisons are terrible all the way around. There are some things we just can’t contract out. I know there needs to be a lot of prison reform, but it won’t happen when the goal is to keep the bottom line as low as possible.

[–] catspls 5 points (+5|-0)

This abolishing prison shit sounds like bad news for women and children. I'll never support it.

[–] RisingUp 4 points (+4|-0)

Literally every abuser ever says their victim started it. And if the victim is dead they can't argue back. #FreeThemAll strikes me as an extremely bad idea. Put me down firmly on Team Exceptionalism.

Especially with the focus on TIMs who have male pattern violence not female pattern violence. I know in the UK TIMs, very much unlike women, are more likely to commit murder than to be murder victims. Was it male or female partners who were killed by the TIMs this charity is campaigning for? Come to that, did they transition before or after getting put in prison? (I went to their website and tried finding this information about the first one who popped up -"Brandy Scott" who is serving 22 years in a women's prison. I can't find out what sex the partner he murdered wa. All the letters describing his case just say "partner.")

I do think the courts need to give more leniency to women who kill in self-defence, especially given how dangerous it is to leave a relationship with a violent abuser. A good charity in the UK that really fights for female victims who have been punished for self-defence is the Centre for Women's Justice. I don't know if there is a USA equivalent.

I am concerned about the colonisation of the anti-domestic violence movement by TRAs. The issues faced by TIMs and women are NOT THE SAME and between this, and all the MRA lies about men and women being equally violent (funny how the number of murders isn't equal, huh) and all the young men who apparently don't think punching or raping their partners are domestic violence... it is all very very scary and going in the wrong direction fast.

[–] HelgeNacht 3 points (+3|-0)

I saw some weird meme on twitter suggesting that incarceration was somehow "white feminism". I wish I kept a screenshot, but essentially it was sending the message that incarceration for crime was a "bigoted" concept and that it was somehow perpetuated by white women.

Clearly. How else would you explain the violent crime rate of men? It has to be women's fault.

[–] remove-the-veil 2 points (+2|-0)

They're basically saying that black men are only disproportionately incarcerated because of white women....

[–] Feerique 2 points (+2|-0)

Prison abolition would clearly be detrimental to women's rights. I suppose they want to start with the more sympathetic prisoners and work their way up to the truly vile. Making the cause about women is infuriating when so many more men are in jail for perpetrating violence against women in the first place.