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Like the title says, I received a perma-ban from r/OnGuardForThee (a Canadian sub) for 2 comments made in reply to anti-JKR comments on a post about transgender Remembrance Day.

{comment #1}

A Medium opinion piece is not a fact-check of any kind.

The only thing being misrepresented is JKRs point of view. Not only has she specifically stated that she wishes for the rights of trans people to be protected, for anyone to be able to have any outward expression that they choose, and that she has nothing but sympathy for people who truly experience gender dysphoria, she is standing up for the rights of biological women. If you believe that wanting to protect women’s rights (which is all JKR is asking for) is innately anti-trans, then it would follow that trans-rights are innately anti-women.

No one deserves to be harassed, assaulted, denied medical care, housing or employment, because of how they identify. This includes women (adult human females).

{comment #2 in solidarity with some poor soul who tried to reason with these people, but called us cis-women in their comment}

Totally agree with you. Just one point to make... A lot of biological women object to the term “cis.” And here’s why... “Cis” is Latin for “on the same side as.” And cisgender means that you are on the same side as your “gender.” But many women see “gender” as a set of sexist, regressive stereotypes and we do not agree with them. So how can we possibly be on the same side as a gender that we don’t believe exists/should exist? Woman does need not a qualifier. It means “adult human female” the same way “hen” means female chicken and “doe” means female deer.

In addition to the perma-ban, the mods muted me for 28 days so I can’t appeal the ban. The ban message included a message from the mods declaring “TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN!”

Like the title says, I received a perma-ban from r/OnGuardForThee (a Canadian sub) for 2 comments made in reply to anti-JKR comments on a post about transgender Remembrance Day. {comment #1} >A Medium opinion piece is not a fact-check of any kind. >The only thing being misrepresented is JKRs point of view. Not only has she specifically stated that she wishes for the rights of trans people to be protected, for anyone to be able to have any outward expression that they choose, and that she has nothing but sympathy for people who truly experience gender dysphoria, she is standing up for the rights of biological women. If you believe that wanting to protect women’s rights (which is all JKR is asking for) is innately anti-trans, then it would follow that trans-rights are innately anti-women. >No one deserves to be harassed, assaulted, denied medical care, housing or employment, because of how they identify. This includes women (adult human females). {comment #2 in solidarity with some poor soul who tried to reason with these people, but called us cis-women in their comment} >Totally agree with you. Just one point to make... >A lot of biological women object to the term “cis.” And here’s why... >“Cis” is Latin for “on the same side as.” And cisgender means that you are on the same side as your “gender.” But many women see “gender” as a set of sexist, regressive stereotypes and we do not agree with them. So how can we possibly be on the same side as a gender that we don’t believe exists/should exist? >Woman does need not a qualifier. It means “adult human female” the same way “hen” means female chicken and “doe” means female deer. In addition to the perma-ban, the mods muted me for 28 days so I can’t appeal the ban. The ban message included a message from the mods declaring “TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN!”

37 comments

[–] AmyHousewine 35 points (+36|-1)

The Canadian stereotype of niceness is really institutionalized passive aggression and smugness. This is extremely on-brand.

Yeah, I try to tell people that Canadian niceness is like when people from the Southern US say things like “bless your heart” which is passive-aggressive for “go fuck yourself!”

[–] AmyHousewine 14 points (+14|-0)

It's also (part Canadian, here) really pathetic that there is essentially no self-concept of a Canadian that isn't wildly superficial (flannel shirts! RCMP! canoes!) or simple anti-Americanism.

[–] MakeItPunk 9 points (+9|-0)

Having grown up in the US South, I've never encountered anyone using "bless your heart" as passive-aggressive for "go fuck yourself". It's always been used a) as an honest expression, or b) to smooth over awkward situations/avoid saying something unkind. I don't think there are many southerners who wouldn't just say "go fuck yourself" or some equivalent but without swearing. Seems like a more modern outside interpretation that might have recently started taking hold if at all. Might have just been my areas though. Maybe certain states or counties do it and I just never encountered it.

[–] Hermione 7 points (+7|-0)

I’ve never heard it used that way either. I’ve heard it used in a way to tell someone they’ve done something nice, or to tell someone they are about to do something stupid in the pursuit of doing something nice.

“I’ll pray for you...”. now that’s different.

[–] Boudicaea 3 points (+3|-0)

I just made essentially the same comment. I think this stereotype popped up because of Blanche from Golden Girls, personally. 😅

I’ve heard it used by southerners frequently. Just different parts of the south, I guess. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[–] feralfeminist 1 points (+1|-0)

Right. To avoid saying something unkind like "go fuck yourself." MOST of the time it is not used in a context where you would even reply with GFYS, but every now and again I have a moment...

Interesting, the only time I’ve heard that here in Australia it’s been from people at least my age (vis. old enough to know the phrase) and it’s been dripping with sarcasm. No room for doubt about the meaning, lol.

[–] Boudicaea 5 points (+5|-0)

Haha, as a southerner, IME it is used much more often to express genuine sympathy for someone if they are going through a rough patch. I say it myself that way, and I'm not that old. It only gets used in a passive aggressive way on choice occasions really.

[–] HelgeNacht 29 points (+29|-0)

Reddit is cancer. I think women should just delete their accounts from Reddit. Don't give them the ad revenue.

[–] Maplefields 11 points (+11|-0)

The only reason I’m still keeping my Reddit account is to invite other women who share real feminist views to join Ovarit.

[–] starry 5 points (+5|-0)

Same. My account is relatively TERF-free but I do usually comment critically. For example, on the post that was posted here recently about a teenage girl telling her father she wants to transition, I pointed out that while detransition percentages for adults after surgery are low (probably because dealing with all the crap you did to yourself is hard and you'll never get your old body back), detransition/desisting percentages for kids and young adults (up to 29) are extremely high. Something like 60% go back to their actual gender.

I did throw in some bla bla about how the daughter should be supported if she wants to transition because I wasn't looking for a ban, just an upvoted comment about how kids shouldn't transition. And it worked, lol.

[–] Boudicaea 4 points (+4|-0)

Yeah, if you throw in some garbage about how trans people deserve respect and dignity or whatever, it usually helps avoid the downvote storm/banning.

Despite the fact that I do believe respect is earned, and dignity starts with yourself and your own behavior. Neither of which most trans people do much for themselves on IMHO. I find they don't like it unless you go beyond "basic human decency" though, which is really all that anyone is entitled to.

[–] pennygadget 10 points (+10|-0)

I'm thinking of ditching my Reddit account. Some of the remaining subs are still fun (I still can't believe r/femaledatingstrategy survived the Reddit Purge). But its not worth having to deal with the weirdos and the gross double standards

[–] starry 6 points (+6|-0)

(I still can't believe r/femaledatingstrategy survived the Reddit Purge

Right?? Or r/nametheproblem. I'm glad they did, at least there's still some places to go for pre-peak people but still.

[–] Boudicaea 8 points (+8|-0)

They'll be gone soon. Fortunately girl_undone and the other GC mods have done the world a great service in setting this space up, along with other places women can speak freely. Hope they get a softer landing than we did.

“TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN!”

Is that all they can say?

[–] LasagnaRossa 4 points (+4|-0)

They hope that telling a lie louder and louder it becomes true

[–] How 13 points (+13|-0)

Fuck them. Hopefully you got a few eyeballs on your words before they were deleted.

[–] NewMa 10 points (+10|-0)

Congrats! You found the TW moderator.

So stupid. I hate TWAW as a saying so much, especially as a punchline or whatever this was supposed to be.

[–] no- 9 points (+9|-0)

Who needs reddit when you have ovarit?

[–] meranii 12 points (+12|-0)

Sadly, they're grooming the next generation of TRAs, handmaidens and future victims on sites like reddit. Just staying in our own little space might feel better (I come here for a dose of sanity) but it's not helping others. :(

[–] pennygadget 10 points (+10|-0)

Just staying in our own little space might feel better (I come here for a dose of sanity) but it's not helping others. :(

Agreed. Echo chambers won't help our cause.

IMO, Reddit purged the GC sub because it was gaining popularity fast after the JKR thing blew up. And, if allowed to stay on a big site like Reddit, GC would have peaked a LOT of people. That's why Reddit had to kill it despite the fact that the mods strictly policed it against transphobic slurs

[–] Rodham 2 points (+2|-0)

I really hope Ovarit picks up. GC was almost at 65k before the ban if I remember correctly. I'd love for us to hit those numbers again. The quality of content was top-notch, too.

Yes. I know so many male-centred, viciously trans supporting and enforcing women who are now on Reddit. Oddly, they wouldn't have touched the site back when I was first on it. But I'm sure they are getting indoctrinated nicely at this point, since you can't go anywhere without TWAW.

[–] faerie 3 points (+3|-0)

They've been made to believe that the more trans-inclusive a place is, the more "progressive" it is which means people on there must respect women too. Which couldn't be further from the truth 🙃

[–] remquarqk 8 points (+8|-0)

Well if they can't ban you, that would mean bunches of rational people could possibly read your comments and peak themselves, and we can't have that now can we.

[–] NotCis 6 points (+6|-0)

This is probably why they banned you: "If you believe that wanting to protect women’s rights (which is all JKR is asking for) is innately anti-trans, then it would follow that trans-rights are innately anti-women."

Hard to argue with that, easier to just ban you.

Yeah, I figured that was the kicker. I’ve received a temp-ban and mute from them before for other logical statements regarding women’s rights. My fiancée also received a perma-ban from them this week for similar comments.

[–] Boudicaea 5 points (+5|-0)

I think it's so important that we document how we are being silenced for saying objectively not hateful things on completely unrelated subreddits. Especially when they are the ones raising these issues on these unrelated subs!

Reddit is such a wasteland. So full of woke police silencing any and all dissent, even feminists. Completely overrun by the trans lobby. I would almost criticize regular users for not being able to see it, but the mods make sure no one can see it.

How much of this is due to the hatred for Elaine Pao? I have to wonder if the trajectory toward silencing women started then.

[–] Kevina 4 points (+4|-0)

Because 98% of the subs on reddit are molded by transies.