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This article from The Independent is unintentionally hilarious; objecting to men wearing womens clothes because then TiMs wont be able to distinguish themselves.

"The danger for trans women is that if wearing what are traditionally women’s clothes becomes the norm for men too, then trans women will no longer be able to rely on these props to help them display a female gender identity "

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/will-smith-s-son-new-face-louis-vuitton-womenswear-might-seem-progressive-it-s-threatening-transgender-territory-a6797461.html

This article from The Independent is unintentionally hilarious; objecting to men wearing womens clothes because then TiMs wont be able to distinguish themselves. "The danger for trans women is that if wearing what are traditionally women’s clothes becomes the norm for men too, then trans women will no longer be able to rely on these props to help them display a female gender identity " https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/will-smith-s-son-new-face-louis-vuitton-womenswear-might-seem-progressive-it-s-threatening-transgender-territory-a6797461.html

16 comments

[–] Hollyhock 22 points (+22|-0)

This article is so bonkers, I just LAUGHED my ass off..."Deep down your real job is to reproduce, and showing other humans your gender is the first step on that path."

Ten years ago, this would have been prime Onion material.

[–] worried19 13 points (+13|-0)

Let's say my "gender" is male because I wear men's clothes. It's still obvious if you interact with me for more than a minute that I'm biologically female. So how does that interfere with reproduction?

Everything boils down to stereotypes for people like this.

[–] RawSienna 21 points (+21|-0)

So now they’re policing men. Let’s see how well that goes.

[–] NewMa 6 points (+6|-0)

I mean, maybe GenZ fashion changes?

But I doubt it'll be a movement for your average 30something millennial.

[–] emptiedriver 17 points (+17|-0)

I .. am genuinely confused. If the underlying job of humans is to reproduce then being trans is impossible, right? Is this person for or against people dressing according to an identity that is different from the reproductive organs that they have?

If our job is to reproduce, all the better if these narcissists and imbeciles take their fake hormones and get their bits chopped off and render themselves sterile as well as generally unfuckable. We don’t need them adding to the gene pool.

[–] emptiedriver 3 points (+3|-0)

just bizarre it would be the blatant assessment of a trans advocate

The one drawback of TIMs not being immediately obvious because other men are wearing dresses is that one might not clock the AGP perverts as quickly.

[–] ClaraReed1 7 points (+7|-0)

Looooooool I saw this posted on IG. What a fucking joke. You’re literally proving that it’s all performative nonsense.

[–] antandro 5 points (+7|-2)

these props

What's that? I didn't catch it the first time, could you repeat that for me?

props

Nailed it!

[–] IronicWolf 5 points (+5|-0)

The narcissism is off the charts. Men can’t wear skirts because then people won’t realise that other men in skirts want to be seen as women? Just goes to show how all the stuff about innate gender identity is nonsense. I could wear men’s clothes tomorrow and nobody would have any problem in seeing that I was a woman.

[–] littleowl12 3 points (+3|-0) Edited

A nonbinary person wrote an op/ed response to this. Let me see if I can find it.

ETA: It was linked right at the bottom- https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jaden-smith-isn-t-threatening-transgender-territory-he-s-non-binary-icon-a6799411.html

Over the past year or so, Jaden Smith has gained significant media attention for wearing women’s clothing. He spoke out about it, claiming that his clothes aren’t ‘girl clothes’, and that they’re just 'clothes’.

Does that make him a terf?

But claiming that women should have to declare their femininity to show that they’re woman is outrageous – not to mention incredibly old-fashioned.

YES. THIS IS EXACTLY THE CASE.

This dated notion of ‘boys do this, and girls do that’ is responsible for so much gender prejudice, not to mention endless aisles of pink toy hoovers and blue toy spaceships. We have moved hard to move away from such entrenched traditions. The progress in acceptance for the LGBTQ+ community over the past years has been incredible, so let’s not reverse that by exclude those – such as non-binary people - who don’t fit into specific categories.

Look- EVERYONE is nonbinary when you really think about it. That's why it's not really much of a thing. Stop centering yourselves- even gender-conforming women are harmed by these stereotypes that turn into restrictions.

Feeling comfortable and confident in your attire is the most important thing, and not being forced into a stereotype, or into a wardrobe of clothes that society tells you to wear because of your perceived gender. I don’t dress to show that I am male; I wear clothes that make me feel good.

Yeah, that's a luxury males have always been able to count on. Uncomfortable, even body-damaging clothes such as high heels is mostly put upon women. Even when men DID wear heels, they were for practical purposes like riding. They weren't spike heels.

Members of the LGBT community who may have faced prejudice before shouldn’t be narrow-minded when it comes to these alternative forms of gender expression. I grew up being told that men don’t wear heels or make-up - but if doing so made me feel comfortable, why shouldn’t I?

Are you making a connection about how homophobic trans ideology is? Do you see why the T really doesn't belong in LGB?

Jaden Smith isn’t wearing a dress because he wants to identify as female; he’s wearing a dress because he rejects strict gender norms. And if someone identifies as something other than ‘male’ or ‘female’, and they feel comfortable and happy in doing so, then I struggle to see why we should support that sort of expression being stifled.

You're chasing your own tail, here. The point is, these clothes don't change your sex. If you don't "identify" as male or female, these clothes don't actually help you transcend reality. You are still the same more or female you were before. If you don't like the cultural norms of your area, by all means, push back. But that's what you are pushing back on- cultural norms. Not physical reality.

[–] starsstorm 1 points (+1|-0)

I’ll make sure to let my feminine husband know that he can’t wear makeup or have long hair any more.

[–] Darkmoss 0 points (+0|-0)

I’ve seen a lot of random tweets from TiM being pissy about that Harry styles shoot like “oh when men wear women’s clothes it’s sexy but when I wear women’s clothes people don’t immediately celebrate me????” They say they want to abolish gender and it’s absolutely not true. They are all about enforcing it through a made up list of gestures and aesthetic choices and they get mad whenever anyone steps out of the binary