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FANTASTIC NEWS!

Yes: 113

No: 9

Abstention: 1

Article in The National: https://www.thenational.scot/news/18936441.msps-overwhelmingly-vote-replace-gender-sex-rape-support-law/?ref=twtrec

Archive of Article: https://archive.is/Bfetp

Speech by Johann Lamont: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZjOYEc2JUg&feature=emb_logo

Also just for info: The new bill as a whole means that women who are victims of sexual assault and/or rape will now be able to have a medical examination in a medical setting (rather than a police station) where evidence can be collected before they even decide whether or not to report the crime to the police or not. This means that the evidence will be preserved and women will have time to decide.

This part of the bill was not to do with who the victim is, but who the medical examiner is. The most important factor to women was that they were able to choose the sex of the medical examiner: a female. So the bill has absolutely nothing to do with the trans/gender debate in the first place – for whatever reason, some people tried to make it an issue of people being mean online to trans people (e.g. Monica Lennon). The part of the bill that the amendment is in relation to is about victims of sexual offences choosing the sex (not gender) of their medical examiner.

Edit: damn it I just noticed my terrible spelling. It was in a rush of excitement.

FANTASTIC NEWS! Yes: 113 No: 9 Abstention: 1 Article in The National: https://www.thenational.scot/news/18936441.msps-overwhelmingly-vote-replace-gender-sex-rape-support-law/?ref=twtrec Archive of Article: https://archive.is/Bfetp Speech by Johann Lamont: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZjOYEc2JUg&feature=emb_logo **Also just for info:** The new bill as a whole means that women who are victims of sexual assault and/or rape will now be able to have a medical examination in a medical setting (rather than a police station) where evidence can be collected before they even decide whether or not to report the crime to the police or not. This means that the evidence will be preserved and women will have time to decide. This part of the bill was not to do with who the victim is, but who the medical examiner is. The most important factor to women was that they were able to choose the sex of the medical examiner: a female. **So the bill has absolutely nothing to do with the trans/gender debate in the first place** – for whatever reason, some people tried to make it an issue of people being mean online to trans people (e.g. Monica Lennon). The part of the bill that the amendment is in relation to is about victims of sexual offences choosing the sex (not gender) of their medical examiner. Edit: damn it I just noticed my terrible spelling. It was in a rush of excitement.

49 comments

[–] Bonolenov 45 points (+45|-0)

Just when I thought Scotland was a lost cause!

[–] Radical_beans [OP] 37 points (+37|-0)

I think quite a few MSPs are learning from this 'gender debate'. Johann Lamont made a great and impassioned speech and mentioned the debate and importance of not conflating sex and gender.

[–] courage2courage 13 points (+13|-0)

I think there's a lot of good work by women happening behind the scenes. The recent NEC results were certainly a boost in the right direction.

[–] [Deleted] 35 points (+35|-0)

I really admire women in the UK for speaking up despite the gestapo like nature of your police force and dumb hate speech laws. It’s interesting to see how the debate is playing out.

[–] pennygadget 22 points (+22|-0)

Amen. It makes me sad that women in America aren't as fired up despite having the benefit of first amendment protections

[–] [Deleted] 15 points (+16|-1)

I think it’s our media really. Anyone speaking up is obviously labeled alt right and the fact that we have a rising tide of actual neo Nazis means the left media can just call anyone questioning the narrative on their side a Nazi and call it a day. I do think when the debate inevitably happens in February and March regarding the Equality act, we will have to speak up. And here is another thing that struck me. Twitter and Facebook aren’t censoring because they want to but because they faced increased pressure from Democrats who happen to be in government. I’m sorry but isn’t that the government infringing on our free speech rights. When people like AOC and Elizebeth Warren call on Facebook to curtail people’s speech in the name of curtailing “misinformation”, that’s government interference in free speech and we need call them out on this. This is not OK.

[–] Medusa 9 points (+9|-0) Edited

I agree with you to an extent, but I feel I have to point out that while the corporate heads of Facebook and Twitter may not want to censor speech, their engineering departments absolutely do. TIMs dominate tech. There are more TIM and future-TIM software engineers than women at most companies. And software engineers, by and large, are sexist.

That's why it's imperative that there are separate platforms for women to utilize. Twitter is the modern public square, but it's not legally treated that way.

[–] pennygadget 8 points (+8|-0)

Its depressing that only people on the right are standing up for free speech. And, whenever a left-leaning person tries to say free speech is important, the woke cult labels them a right wing nazi sympathizer.

This issue is part of the reason I can't celebrate Trump being voted out. His presidency was a shit show; but at least the media bias against him made it hard for him to get away with shit. Now that the president is someone these woke corporations like, they'll make it much harder to publish critical information (like how the equality act seeks out to demolish women's rights in favor of vague "gender identity rights")

[–] Medusa 11 points (+11|-0)

We have the benefit of first amendment protections, but unfortunately I don't think we have anywhere near the labor or healthcare protections the UK has.

It's hard to speak up when it could mean barring you from current and future employment and losing the health coverage that's keeping you alive.

[–] Verdandi 8 points (+8|-0)

We're also all spread out. The US is gigantic. It's pretty difficult to find a cause that can get huge turnouts. This definitely isn't big enough for most people to take time off work (lmao, what time?! We don't get sick leave or vacation most of the time) to travel 3 days to our capitol and throw down a few hundred dollars for a hotel room.

[–] Poppy 9 points (+9|-0)

I feel the same. Women in the UK have inspired me to be outspoken about women's issues in my deeply conservative/religious corner of the world. Their courage, their persistance، and often brilliant wit, I admire everything about their activism.

[–] Medusa 4 points (+4|-0)

I agree! They are kicking ass and I hope we can get some good cross-pollination going. I think those of us in the US can learn a lot from their organizing techniques and strategies.

[–] PowerUpWen 20 points (+20|-0)

Labour MSP Joanna Lamont said: “In giving people rights, in giving women victims of rape and sexual assault rights, in giving all survivors of sexual violence rights, we need to be precise.

“Sex is defined in law, and gender is not. A right is not a right, if it’s unenforceable. We owe it to survivors to listen and treat them with respect.”

DAMN RIGHT!

[–] AriadneOnNaxos 6 points (+6|-0)

I wonder if yesterday’s Equality Committee discussion in London was listened to in Edinburgh, because Dr. Freedman made just that point, that gender is not defined in law - in any law, anywhere - but sex is.

[–] [Deleted] 17 points (+17|-0)

Wow! Just hope they can stave off the ridiculous 'hate crime' bill....

[–] AriadneOnNaxos 13 points (+13|-0)

Sanity prevails.

The Scottish women who wrote, and spoke, and organised for this victory have won dignity and privacy for their sisters. That’s feminism in action.

Goddesses bless them.

[–] [Deleted] 9 points (+9|-0)

Who were the ones that voted no?

[–] courage2courage 14 points (+14|-0)
[–] RisingUp 0 points (+0|-0)

Creepy fucks. 8 men and 1 woman, for those wondering.

Also it should be noted that Rape Crisis Scotland opposed the amendment with some weird gaslighting bullshit about how the amendment didn't matter and the REAL issue is that there aren't enough female forensic examiners. Probably not coincidentally, they have a TIM high up in the organisation ranks.

[–] Kevina 8 points (+8|-0)

I'll bet we can all take a guess.

[–] [Deleted] 8 points (+8|-0)

I am from the US so admittedly I don't know much. I do know of one who claims he's a non binary woman Rose of Dawn has spoken about him) but I can't recall his name.

[–] Hermione 4 points (+4|-0)

Ah yes! The one who calls colleagues the c-word! Wonderful representation there. IIRC he also hijacked a position that was reserved for a woman but I may be mixing up stories. I know there’s a story beside the NY one.

Lib Dems and Greens. But I don't know who exactly. I tried to search the database but it kept sending me an error. Might not be up quite yet?

[–] [Deleted] 8 points (+8|-0)

The LibDems and the Greens aren't fit for purpose. I wonder who the abstention was.

[–] Radical_beans [OP] 6 points (+6|-0) Edited

Christine Grahame of SNP apparently. I just updated the post wth an article from The National that states this.

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