[–] butchnerd 18 points (+18|-0) Edited

Whoa. I knew a little bit about Larry Wachowski's transing, like him frequently visiting a high-profile dominatrix was part of it... but I didn't realize that dominatrix used to be married to Buck Angel, and that Larry Wachowski apparently got together with Buck's dominatrix wife, ruining both Buck's and his own marriages.

I really gained respect for Buck Angel after reading about the situation, because FFS. Imagine that your wife has a new business partner, who is a really famous guy, kind of eccentric. Your wife starts spending a lot more time with him. You agree to all meet up at a club... then you sit there while the business partner and your wife walk in together, dressed to appear as identical as possible:

In denial at first, Buck Angel demanded some answers. Ilsa arranged for Larry and her to meet Buck at a transsexual club on Santa Monica Boulevard one Friday night in early 2001 to talk things over. At midnight, in walked two tall blondes wearing almost identical wigs, fur jackets and high-heeled shoes. It was Larry and Ilsa, but Larry was virtually unrecognizable.

Buck Angel cooled his heels at the bar, while his wife and Larry Wachowski took a turn on the dance floor. "When they came over to me, Larry would not look me in the eye," Buck recalls. "In the shoes, he's, like, six foot three, a big, tall drag queen. I tried to talk to Larry, but he wouldn't talk to me. His wig was over his eyes, and I told him, 'Man, you should pull your wig up, because you look like a dude in a dress.'"

So, you leave your wife and move from LA to New Orleans, where you work on starting over... just a few years before Hurricane Katrina disrupts your life again. Damn that's bad luck.

The incredible thing tho... is that this article is from 2006... so the current era of trans extremism wasn't yet extreme. I was shocked that they described autogynephilia in a fair amount of detail and quoted the author of The Man Who Would Be Queen - emphasis mine:

J. Michael Bailey, a professor of psychology at Northwestern University and the author of The Man Who Would Be Queen: The Science of Gender-Bending and Transsexualism, is a vocal proponent of the science behind autogynephilia, and although he declined to comment about Larry Wachowski, he did describe typical autogynephilic behaviors. "Autogynephiles frequently mention having a longing to be a girl that begins in childhood," says Bailey. "But the first outward manifestation of it usually crops up in early adolescence, when they discover that it turns them on to wear women's clothing. What you do not see, despite frequent claims to the contrary, is evidence that these folks were notably feminine in childhood."

Fast forward 10 years and this article is gone from the Rolling Stone site, replaced by upbeat celebration when Larry's brother just happened to "come out" as trans in 2016. Great find...

[–] TheEthicalHedonist 14 points (+14|-0)

Even those “well-respected” in the BDSM community don’t seem to understand the most basic concept of consent.

Mistress Ilsa could be harsh, even cruel. "If her submissive said, 'I don't really think I'm interested in needles,' she might just come up and, boom, put a couple of needles under their fingernails," says Mistress Jenna King, an L.A. dominatrix.

Does that sound Safe Sane and Consensual to anyone?!?

[–] Avadavat 13 points (+13|-0)

This article, I believe, is from 2006. Rolling Stone could never publish it today, what with all the "deadnaming" and calling Larry Wachowski a "he."

I don't like intruding on people's private lives, and I don't know if the Wachovsiki "Sisters" ever contributed to/ were prominent in trans causes, but for natal women, our private lives ARE political, especially when it comes to trans activism / gender self-ID campaigning to allow trans women to access female sex-segregated spaces, and / or the promotion of gender - neutral spaces.

If the Wachovsikis have been active in promoting the current transgender agenda, I think the general public SHOULD be made more aware of the circumstances surrounding their BDSM - inspired "transition." That it's not all just about emotionally fragile men who feel like they're women...inside.

[–] [Deleted] 10 points (+10|-0)

Thanks for this blast from the past. Now THIS is the take I remember about the Wachowski's .... so when I later heard people saying 'they are the Wachowski sisters now' and actually acting like they were REALLY 'women'... I was so baffled. I KNEW they were AGPs, especially because of all the BSDM stuff involved.

[–] boudica 4 points (+4|-0)

It's amazing how short the collective memory span of society is, huh? Though, to be fair, I don't think that many people read about the dominatrix and cheating scandal stuff back in the day - they just all saw "Lana" emerge as a 40-something-year-old dressed as a teenage raver, shook their heads, and moved on.

All that happened when I was still more supportive of trans stuff, but even then I remember thinking, "Why do they all seem to look like this ridiculous parody of teenage girls?" Also eventually read the Rolling Stone article and other things about Buck, BDSM, and other details related to this drama, which looking back was probably one of the early steps towards my peaking. Trans lesbians never sat right with me and Larry/Lana was possibly the first one I ever heard about.

[–] crispycherrypie 3 points (+3|-0)

I remember back when "Lilly" came out and a bunch of libfems I knew were celebrating it, and talking about how Jupiter Ascending is clearly a teenage trans girl fantasy, and this was back when I was a libfem myself and even then I was like "what". This idea that grown adults in their 50s are allowed to act like (their idea of) teenage girls is baffling.

Also I'm not sure how much of a fantasy an angel werewolf bodyguard man defending a woman is when they both identify as "lesbians", but I also thought the movie sucked so.

[–] ligaments 3 points (+3|-0)

i remember everyone obsessing over The Matrix too, and saying it was clearly an allegory for transitioning