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Seeing as there has been an influx of cats here lately, I decided to share something that has been bothering me for a while. This is really long, more like an article than a post, but I hope you find it interesting.

We all know that dogs are worshipped in today’s society, and there are many good reasons for that. They are loyal, loving, friendly, playful, a man’s best friend. People’s love for dogs translates to the medium of films and television too: if a dog dies onscreen, that is usually the biggest tearjerker moment in the entire film. If the dog dies, some will purposefully avoid watching the film. There is an entire site dedicated to the one big question: doesthedogdie.com.

At times, this kind of dog worship gets a bit concerning: I remember reading discussions about horror movies and seeing comments such as “at least the dog survived”. Sometimes I read these same comments, word for word, under articles about real murders of real people (usually women, but we’ll get to that).

Bottom line is, people REALLY care whether a dog lives or dies. Unfortunately, this is very much not the case when it comes to cats.

As a cat lover, I couldn’t help but notice a double standard in how cats and dogs are treated in society and, by extension, in movies. It started early: watching Tom and Jerry as a kid, I was always a bit uncomfortable with how much physical and mental anguish Tom was put through just to get a few laughs. Why is a cat, who is by nature a carnivore, treated as a villain for chasing a mouse?

A good example of an evil cartoon cat is, of course, Lucifer from Cinderella – mean, cunning and, worst of all, mouse-exclusionary. By the way, what’s up with the trope of dogs and mice befriending each other to fight the evil cat?

Those are just two examples off the top of my head – there are many more films and TV series where cat behavior is vilified. But while portraying cats this way is unfair, what I really wanted to talk about is violence against cats onscreen and how it is dismissed by both characters and audiences. In particular, I will be talking about two movies and one series: The Grand Budapest Hotel, The Shape of Water and Stranger Things. There will be spoilers, so proceed at your own risk.

Every screenwriter knows: when you need to kill an animal for plot advancement, your best bet is to kill a cat. Need to terrify a girl in a horror movie? Kill her cat and put it in her locker. Need to start somewhere before building up to killing human characters? The cat it is.

The Shape of Water is a 2017 film that received 13 Oscar nominations and won four of them, including Best Director and Best Picture. It’s a film that I was really enjoying up until a certain moment. Here is some context: American military get hold of a strange creature, a humanoid amphibian, and keep him imprisoned in a government facility to study/torture him. A woman, Elisa, falls in love with him and manages to get him out, hiding him in her neighbor Giles’s apartment. At one point the creature escapes the bathtub where he is kept and starts exploring his surroundings. He sees a cat, the cat hisses, and in the next scene Giles walks in to the sight of the Amphibian eating his cat. And in case you thought the cat’s death is only implied, it is not: we get to see the cat’s body with its head bitten off. It’s horrific.

Here is the scene for those who want to see it for themselves, although I heartily do not recommend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GUCtYm5YJA

Some try to justify this scene. They say the Amphibian had never met a cat before and doesn’t know if it’s dangerous to him or not. He was startled by the cat’s hissing and attacked without thinking. He doesn’t know cats are not for food. But all I have to say to that is, imagine if this was a dog. Imagine if it was a dog’s headless body: do you think the film would win Best Picture then? You think it would even be nominated, amid all the backlash and boycotts?

But there is more. After the cat is killed, the whole thing is treated as a minor inconvenience. The cat’s owner shakes his head: whatcha gonna do? These things happen, right? And the woman, Elisa, pays it no mind at all and goes on to pursue a romantic relationship with the cat killer. When you think about it, it’s almost as if that gruesome scene was meant to be slightly humorous: oh my god, can you believe it, he ate the cat! And judging by the comments online, many people (men?) do find it funny.

Let’s move on to an episode of Stranger Things that features a cat’s death. One of the main characters, Dustin, brings home an unknown creature and keeps it as a pet. This thing, first kept in a fish tank, keeps growing at an abnormal rate, and one day Dustin comes home to a broken tank and his “pet” missing. After a brief search, he finds it in the corner eating the house cat. Again, the camera doesn’t shy away from the scene: for about ten seconds, we see a cat being eaten by a monster. Here is the scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiAWZSoRjAo

Sounds similar to The Shape of Water, doesn’t it? Except this time, luckily, we are not supposed to root for the cat killer. But here’s the interesting thing: even though Dustin’s friends react to the news with shock (which is already a huge improvement on how the characters reacted in The Shape of Water), there is still an element of humor added to this situation. Dustin’s mom is portrayed as a stereotypical cat lady; she runs around the neighborhood calling “Mews! Mewsy!”, and the entire search for the “missing” cat reads like a comedy sequence. The viewers are meant to chuckle at her cat-lady antics, while her son is lying to her face pretending that the cat ran away. Would this scene be written the same way if it was about a dog? Would a devastated woman looking for her lost dog be used as a comic relief?

Finally, let’s take a look at The Grand Budapest Hotel. Coincidentally, this one is another critically acclaimed film (9 Oscar nominations, 4 wins). Here is what happens: a rich old lady is murdered, which brings about an inheritance dispute among her many relatives and friends. Children of the deceased push Vilmos Kovacs, an attorney handling affairs of the estate, to finalize the inheritance as soon as possible. When he fails to comply, they throw his Persian cat out of the window. The owner runs to the window only to see his cat lying on the ground, unmistakably dead, with all four paws spreading in different directions. In case you were wondering, the scene is supposed to be disturbing, but hilarious.

You can see it here, although it is incomplete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9b0DAkc-ys

Later that day, the owner collects a bag containing his cat’s body from the coat check. The card reads: “Contents: Persian Cat (DECEASED)”. It is all very, very funny.

Writing all this, I realize it might seem silly to some people that I am dedicating so much time and effort to such a minor issue. Why am I so preoccupied with the fate of cats in films? The thing is, I believe that the abuse of cats in media is closely intertwined with the mistreatment of another group. I am talking, of course, about women.

All three examples that I have listed above have certain things in common. The death of a cat is not taken seriously. It is not the central plot point, like it would be if a dog died. It is described with elements of humor, which completely neutralizes the act of violence. Most importantly, it is unfathomable to imagine the same scenarios applied to dogs, and a person who merely suggests such a plot point would be viewed as a complete psychopath. Because who would want to hurt a man’s best friend?

This is what it ultimately boils down to: dogs are men’s best friends. Owning a dog gives men what they crave the most: utter adoration and complete submission. They don’t have to work for a dog’s love – unlike the love of a woman, or a cat. To some men, this makes dog ownership preferable to having a family: dogs won’t expect anything in return, they will accept breadcrumbs, they will never disagree or complain or leave.

Men tend to associate themselves with their dogs; some go further than that and equate all men with all dogs. “Dogs are boys, cats are girls”. So, with their identities so closely connected, it is no surprise that men have great empathy for dogs, just like they have great empathy for other men.

Cats, on the other hand, are trickier animals. In order to win a cat over, you need to show them respect, give them space and be ready to wait for a long time until a cat decides he or she enjoys your company. Cats are not always available when you want to play or cuddle with them. They teach us consent. Most importantly, they don’t submit. To some men, especially the ones that are narcissists, this sort of thing is infuriating.

While men’s close relationships with their dogs are glorified, women get laughed at if they own and love cats. Men coined the term “men’s best friend”, but what about cats who have been living alongside women for centuries? Do we refer to them as “women’s best friends”? We should, but we don’t. Instead, our bonds with cats are either branded as laughable (crazy cat lady) or evil (witch). Either way, under this set of rules women and cats don’t get any sympathy or compassion from men. There are only two acceptable ways for men to react: laugh at us or hate us.

This is why I don’t laugh when a cat is killed onscreen. I never forget that, at the end of the day, men have as much empathy for women as they do for cats.

P.S. Thank you for reading my Magnum Opus. As you can see, I have REALLY given this a lot of thought, perhaps too much! Would love it if someone wanted to discuss it.

Seeing as there has been an influx of cats here lately, I decided to share something that has been bothering me for a while. This is really long, more like an article than a post, but I hope you find it interesting. We all know that dogs are worshipped in today’s society, and there are many good reasons for that. They are loyal, loving, friendly, playful, a man’s best friend. People’s love for dogs translates to the medium of films and television too: if a dog dies onscreen, that is usually the biggest tearjerker moment in the entire film. If the dog dies, some will purposefully avoid watching the film. There is an entire site dedicated to the one big question: doesthedogdie.com. At times, this kind of dog worship gets a bit concerning: I remember reading discussions about horror movies and seeing comments such as “at least the dog survived”. Sometimes I read these same comments, word for word, under articles about real murders of real people (usually women, but we’ll get to that). Bottom line is, people REALLY care whether a dog lives or dies. Unfortunately, this is very much not the case when it comes to cats. As a cat lover, I couldn’t help but notice a double standard in how cats and dogs are treated in society and, by extension, in movies. It started early: watching Tom and Jerry as a kid, I was always a bit uncomfortable with how much physical and mental anguish Tom was put through just to get a few laughs. Why is a cat, who is by nature a carnivore, treated as a villain for chasing a mouse? A good example of an evil cartoon cat is, of course, Lucifer from Cinderella – mean, cunning and, worst of all, mouse-exclusionary. By the way, what’s up with the trope of dogs and mice befriending each other to fight the evil cat? Those are just two examples off the top of my head – there are many more films and TV series where cat behavior is vilified. But while portraying cats this way is unfair, what I really wanted to talk about is violence against cats onscreen and how it is dismissed by both characters and audiences. In particular, I will be talking about two movies and one series: **The Grand Budapest Hotel**, **The Shape of Water** and **Stranger Things**. There will be spoilers, so proceed at your own risk. Every screenwriter knows: when you need to kill an animal for plot advancement, your best bet is to kill a cat. Need to terrify a girl in a horror movie? Kill her cat and put it in her locker. Need to start somewhere before building up to killing human characters? The cat it is. **The Shape of Water** is a 2017 film that received 13 Oscar nominations and won four of them, including Best Director and Best Picture. It’s a film that I was really enjoying up until a certain moment. Here is some context: American military get hold of a strange creature, a humanoid amphibian, and keep him imprisoned in a government facility to study/torture him. A woman, Elisa, falls in love with him and manages to get him out, hiding him in her neighbor Giles’s apartment. At one point the creature escapes the bathtub where he is kept and starts exploring his surroundings. He sees a cat, the cat hisses, and in the next scene Giles walks in to the sight of the Amphibian eating his cat. And in case you thought the cat’s death is only implied, it is not: we get to see the cat’s body with its head bitten off. It’s horrific. Here is the scene for those who want to see it for themselves, although I heartily do not recommend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GUCtYm5YJA Some try to justify this scene. They say the Amphibian had never met a cat before and doesn’t know if it’s dangerous to him or not. He was startled by the cat’s hissing and attacked without thinking. He doesn’t know cats are not for food. But all I have to say to that is, imagine if this was a dog. Imagine if it was a dog’s headless body: do you think the film would win Best Picture then? You think it would even be nominated, amid all the backlash and boycotts? But there is more. After the cat is killed, the whole thing is treated as a minor inconvenience. The cat’s owner shakes his head: whatcha gonna do? These things happen, right? And the woman, Elisa, pays it no mind at all and goes on to pursue a romantic relationship with the cat killer. When you think about it, it’s almost as if that gruesome scene was meant to be slightly humorous: oh my god, can you believe it, he ate the cat! And judging by the comments online, many people (men?) do find it funny. Let’s move on to an episode of **Stranger Things** that features a cat’s death. One of the main characters, Dustin, brings home an unknown creature and keeps it as a pet. This thing, first kept in a fish tank, keeps growing at an abnormal rate, and one day Dustin comes home to a broken tank and his “pet” missing. After a brief search, he finds it in the corner eating the house cat. Again, the camera doesn’t shy away from the scene: for about ten seconds, we see a cat being eaten by a monster. Here is the scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiAWZSoRjAo Sounds similar to The Shape of Water, doesn’t it? Except this time, luckily, we are not supposed to root for the cat killer. But here’s the interesting thing: even though Dustin’s friends react to the news with shock (which is already a huge improvement on how the characters reacted in The Shape of Water), there is still an element of humor added to this situation. Dustin’s mom is portrayed as a stereotypical cat lady; she runs around the neighborhood calling “Mews! Mewsy!”, and the entire search for the “missing” cat reads like a comedy sequence. The viewers are meant to chuckle at her cat-lady antics, while her son is lying to her face pretending that the cat ran away. Would this scene be written the same way if it was about a dog? Would a devastated woman looking for her lost dog be used as a comic relief? Finally, let’s take a look at **The Grand Budapest Hotel**. Coincidentally, this one is another critically acclaimed film (9 Oscar nominations, 4 wins). Here is what happens: a rich old lady is murdered, which brings about an inheritance dispute among her many relatives and friends. Children of the deceased push Vilmos Kovacs, an attorney handling affairs of the estate, to finalize the inheritance as soon as possible. When he fails to comply, they throw his Persian cat out of the window. The owner runs to the window only to see his cat lying on the ground, unmistakably dead, with all four paws spreading in different directions. In case you were wondering, the scene is supposed to be disturbing, but hilarious. You can see it here, although it is incomplete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9b0DAkc-ys Later that day, the owner collects a bag containing his cat’s body from the coat check. The card reads: “Contents: Persian Cat (DECEASED)”. It is all very, very funny. Writing all this, I realize it might seem silly to some people that I am dedicating so much time and effort to such a minor issue. Why am I so preoccupied with the fate of cats in films? The thing is, I believe that the abuse of cats in media is closely intertwined with the mistreatment of another group. I am talking, of course, about women. All three examples that I have listed above have certain things in common. The death of a cat is not taken seriously. It is not the central plot point, like it would be if a dog died. It is described with elements of humor, which completely neutralizes the act of violence. Most importantly, it is unfathomable to imagine the same scenarios applied to dogs, and a person who merely suggests such a plot point would be viewed as a complete psychopath. Because who would want to hurt a man’s best friend? This is what it ultimately boils down to: dogs are men’s best friends. Owning a dog gives men what they crave the most: utter adoration and complete submission. They don’t have to work for a dog’s love – unlike the love of a woman, or a cat. To some men, this makes dog ownership preferable to having a family: dogs won’t expect anything in return, they will accept breadcrumbs, they will never disagree or complain or leave. Men tend to associate themselves with their dogs; some go further than that and equate all men with all dogs. “Dogs are boys, cats are girls”. So, with their identities so closely connected, it is no surprise that men have great empathy for dogs, just like they have great empathy for other men. Cats, on the other hand, are trickier animals. In order to win a cat over, you need to show them respect, give them space and be ready to wait for a long time until a cat decides he or she enjoys your company. Cats are not always available when you want to play or cuddle with them. They teach us consent. Most importantly, they don’t submit. To some men, especially the ones that are narcissists, this sort of thing is infuriating. While men’s close relationships with their dogs are glorified, women get laughed at if they own and love cats. Men coined the term “men’s best friend”, but what about cats who have been living alongside women for centuries? Do we refer to them as “women’s best friends”? We should, but we don’t. Instead, our bonds with cats are either branded as laughable (crazy cat lady) or evil (witch). Either way, under this set of rules women and cats don’t get any sympathy or compassion from men. There are only two acceptable ways for men to react: laugh at us or hate us. This is why I don’t laugh when a cat is killed onscreen. I never forget that, at the end of the day, men have as much empathy for women as they do for cats. P.S. Thank you for reading my Magnum Opus. As you can see, I have REALLY given this a lot of thought, perhaps too much! Would love it if someone wanted to discuss it.

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[–] divinedharma 46 points (+47|-1) Edited

i don't trust any man that doesn't like cats. periodt. anyone who has a problem with cats seems to also hate women and its something i've noticed that i can't ignore.

edited to add that i love everything you wrote, very good

[–] [Deleted] 28 points (+28|-0) Edited

I know this post is explicitly about cats, but men who hate small dogs are also trash. I saw a tiktok of a woman with a little dog and there were men in the comments saying they wanted to stomp him to death :(

[–] bumpyjerboa 17 points (+17|-0)

I wonder if it's because little dogs get away with being "snippier" because of their small size - they don't just have to be loveable goofs like big dogs. Lots of little dogs were bred to hunt rats, same as cats did.

[–] boston11 [OP] 22 points (+22|-0)

Completely agree! I try to stay away from men who feel the need to announce that they hate cats.

Thank you ❤️

[–] zuubat 19 points (+19|-0) Edited

I try to stay away from men who feel the need to announce that they hate cats.

Hate to say it, but in my experience this is an equal-opportunity personality disorder. Kind of like folks who would let you know, apropos of nothing, that they can't stand Hillary Clinton.

To which I will invariably reply, Oh, that is so unfortunate. What did a cat [Hillary Clinton] do to you to make you feel that way?

That's the polite version of my reply, anyway.

[–] boston11 [OP] 15 points (+15|-0)

These people also tend to be very loud and uncompromising. And unfortunately, it's not just men who do this

[–] shewolfoffrance 7 points (+7|-0)

Oof. You're right. I don't unreservedly love Hilary Clinton, but I don't inflict unsuspecting people with my opinion on her (or chihuahuas).

[–] RikkiTikkiTavi 33 points (+33|-0)

This is a high quality post - you really have provided a lot of food for thought.

“Dogs are boys, cats are girls”

That was exactly what I was thinking when I started reading your post. As far as I can see, you are on point about everything you discussed. Not only are cats killed more frequently, but they are terrorized and abused in movies as well - often with the sound of a distressed cat 'mrrarrw'. All for the sake of laughs.

You really did give this a lot of thought and also presented this in a very organized way.

It begs the question, did cats get this 'second class citizen' treatment because of their nature, or because cats and women tend to gravitate together? Has the disrespect of cats been something that has worsened or has it always been this way?

[–] boston11 [OP] 31 points (+31|-0)

I think this negativity towards cats is connected to their independence. Men feel rejected by cats, especially compared to how their dogs treat them. This is not unlike men hating women who rejected them. And since hurting men's feelings makes someone a villain, it means that cats or women who did it deserve to be "punished".

By the way, I can't seem to think of a single example of a dog's death or abuse being played for laughs. Not that I want this kind of content, it just really highlights how bad it is for cats.

[–] RikkiTikkiTavi 18 points (+18|-0)

I can only think of one. National Lampoon's Vacation had a scene where a dog was killed (forgotten when tied to the bumper) - and that was supposed to be funny.

I see what you mean about the rejection factor of cats and how people treat them. Cats as a rule do not suffer fools. Fools on the other hand like to exact revenge.

[–] boston11 [OP] 9 points (+9|-0)

Just checked out that scene in National Lampoon's Vacation and I genuinely don't understand at what parts we are supposed to laugh...

"Fools like to exact revenge" is a great observation and, sadly, very true.

[–] EvenMoreMinty 4 points (+4|-0)

The movie "Braindead" (a NZ zombie comedy) had a dog death that was supposed to be funny. The MC's zombie mother ate (off-screen) the love interest's pet dog, to which the love interest calls out "Your mother ate my dog!" and then the MC holds up just a paw and says "not all of it". Honestly, wasn't a very funny scene.

[–] bumpyjerboa 10 points (+10|-0)

Maybe what Mitt Romney did to his dog? But the laughs were more satirical, like "this out of touch man abused his dog," not that the abuse directly was a joke.

[–] Lumos 25 points (+25|-0)

I think part of it is cats are treated as a much more disposable pet than a dog. You can let a cat roam the neighborhood all day, sometimes they don’t come back, that’s just how it is with cats. If you want a new one you can get one at the shelter cheaply or find someone giving them away.

People view them as a pet that takes minimal effort too. Feed it, change the litter box, let it outside, that’s all it needs.

I completely disagree with that attitude, for the record. I love cats and wouldn’t have an outdoor cat.

[–] RikkiTikkiTavi 18 points (+18|-0)

Yes, the disposable cat. Some of my neighbors do nothing for the constant stream of feral cats that inhabit the neighborhood. When untended, an unaltered male cat will likely not live past 2 years old (usually due to infections from fighting). Females start having kittens at 9 months and then every 6 months after that. They usually don't live past 4 or 5. Feral kittens often don't survive to adulthood -maybe 1/3 of a litter will perish.

I once did a calculation of unchecked cat reproduction. I used very conservative numbers (two kittens each litter - one male and one female) - it would take just 3 years for that one cat to become the matriarch of 53 cats - the actual totals would probably be much higher in a shorter period of time.

So, not only disposable, but also they can be a multitude. Cats, much better than dogs can survive in a feral situation but they do not do well.

Our local animal shelter will go out of their way to house dogs, and find homes for the dogs. Cats are kept in the cages for a week, but every weekend the current population of cats will be put down. The adoption rate is 1 in 2 months.

[–] shewolfoffrance 14 points (+14|-0)

So, they're orders of magnitude less dangerous than dogs, but receive a disproportionate amount of hate. Sort of sounds congruent with men and women...

I wouldn't have an outdoor cat either. I would let a cat cheat on its family with me though.

[–] Srfthrowaway 13 points (+13|-0)

That's true. Driving around in summer you see all kinds of cardboard signs on people's lawns (I'm fairly northern/rural in summer) written with a sharpie:

Worms for sale Free kittens

So yeah I guess that's a factor.

As a kid we only had ourltdoor cats and that was the attitude. Sophia hated outdoors and we committed to keeping her as an indoor only cat and it was amazing.

[–] Laurel 6 points (+6|-0)

I did a grad school level folklore project about how USians feel about cats and came to exactly the same conclusion: Dogs are boys, cats are girls. This really is a well though-out post.

[–] jvsmine 25 points (+25|-0)

amazing observations.

I hate all animal abuse in movies. I literally cannot handle it. if it happens, my girlfriend has to continuously say 'it's an actor animal, it probably got so many treats and pets after this scene'.

[–] boston11 [OP] 13 points (+13|-0)

I know what you mean. Whenever I'm watching a thriller or a dark-themed movie and an animal appears, I always get very tense waiting for something bad to happen to it.

[–] shewolfoffrance 13 points (+13|-0)

Me. Too. Such a cheap way to elicit emotion. I can't handle violence against children or animals in movies.

One of the reasons I love Alien is because the cat survives.

[–] the_radical_veggie -3 points (+1|-4) Edited

I hate all animal abuse in movies. I literally cannot handle it.

If you eat meat or dairy you're contributing to animal abuse and slaughter...

I find it weird how when vegans bring up a comparison of the exploitation of female farm animals (especially cows) being similar in some ways to the exploitation of women, radical feminists will declare that as misogyny and yell at me not to compare women to animals... but drawing comparisons between women and cats? Totally fine 🙄

[–] bornwithovaries 24 points (+24|-0) Edited

There's another parallel with the relationships between men and women: I honestly believe there's a cat for everyone. But you can't just settle for the first cat who comes along regardless of how they behave. Usually when they like you, they REALLY like you and they will tell you almost immediately. Men don't have the patience for this. The ones who tolerate cats at all will just get a cat to get a cat and then complain that the cat isn't affectionate to them.

Sound familiar?

My favorite cat introduced himself to me by rolling over on his back so I could pet his belly. And he really meant it. And we are still best friends 8.5 years later.

[–] Astraea1284 16 points (+16|-0)

Yes! I came to the shelter wanting a black cat. The woman who runs it introduced me to a few young cats she thought would be a good fit and a little 8 month old tabby immediately started purring and smooching as soon as she was put in my arms. I thought, "right, you've made the decision for me then" and ten years later, she still makes many decisions for me!

I chose one of my other cats, who as a kitten was a bit timid, but I took her little male friend as well (hadn't planned to get two at once but they were very persuasive) and it was the best decision ever made. She is now super affectionate, but on her own terms, which is as it should be.

[–] Stealthygal 1 points (+1|-0)

Yes, mine are a brother-sister pair. He was in my face immediately and she was very shy and nervous. Now she's also very loving on her own terms.

[–] bumpyjerboa 14 points (+14|-0)

Your point about cat introductions is so apt. My last sweet lady was similar, she climbed onto my shoulder very delicately while I was watching TV a few nights after I got her (my apartment was an adjustment to a poor kitty that had been in a kennel for weeks), and if it was up to her she never would've left. But it was on her terms and it was rightly that way.

I'm glad you and your boy are going strong.

[–] platypus 12 points (+12|-0)

Another thing to take into consideration is many people don't know how to be loved by a cat. They grab the cat like a football and then complain when the cat has its claws out. But if you'd scratched him on the chin, he would have been your best buddy for life!

[–] SamuraiGhostCat 21 points (+21|-0) Edited

Wow. Brilliant/articulate/eloquent post. Don’t have anything to add, since you summed it up so well. 100% agree with everything. Thanks for the food for thought 🤔

P.S. Women & cats are amazing and magical <3 I love them <3

[–] boston11 [OP] 19 points (+19|-0)

Thank you so much! I have been thinking about this for years, and many of my friends are tired of talking about it with me 😅 They will be happy to know I finally found an outlet.

Cats and women are the only company I require ❤️

[–] Astraea1284 19 points (+19|-0) Edited

Thank you for starting this discussion and for your excellent, thoughtful post. I have also noticed this - every time I see a cat appear in a TV episode or film I instinctively brace myself for his or her on-screen death. The English-language remake of the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is another example (the Swedish version didn't feature that part of the book). I will often google the show mid-watch and if the plot summary says something happens to the cat, I will either fast forward or stop watching.

For some reason cat hatred remains socially acceptable, especially under the guise of "environmental conservation and protecting native species" when humans have done far more to destroy entire ecosystems and hasten extinction; much like we're seeing hatred of women being socially acceptable "because trans rights" when the real danger to trans people's safety is from homophobic men. There are people who fear dogs, but I never hear the same level of vitriol about dogs (usually at worst it's "I don't really like them") that I do about cats. I certainly think it has a lot to do with the fact that cats are associated with the feminine and have been since ancient times - the Egyptian goddess Bastet is literally depicted as a cat; the Norse goddess Freyja, whose chariot was drawn by cats. It's no coincidence that "cat lady" is a term of derision. But no one seems to mock the men who over-identify with their dogs, some to the point that they won't get male dogs desexed. I once saw a video of a man wailing, "choppin' 'is balls off is like choppin' MAH balls off!" which was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Often most people who claim to hate cats have never had much to do with one. I've heard a number of stories of men who reluctantly got a cat at the urging of their partner, despite not liking them, and then becoming completely besotted. A female friend who was vocal about her dislike for cats made friends with a stray who came to visit a few times. Part of the problem is the tendency to compare them unfavourably to dogs, which is like being disappointed when lizards don't behave like kangaroos. They're totally different animals. Once people actually get this, often they appreciate them more. I saw a post on a cat lovers' page that said, "Dogs are nature's extroverts and cats are nature's introverts" which made a lot of sense.

[–] boston11 [OP] 8 points (+8|-0) Edited

Thank you for reading!

Yes, whenever I see a cat in a film, I immediately expect something to happen to it. Otherwise, why would they go through all the extra work to find a cat and a trainer. One of the last movies I saw was Doctor Sleep (really liked it, by the way), and I was so relieved when the cat didn't die!

Great point about the cats destroying ecosystems argument. While there is truth to it and I personally would keep my cat indoors, it just feels like something people say just to hate on cats, and not out of concern for the environment.

"much like we're seeing hatred of women being socially acceptable "because trans rights" when the real danger to trans people's safety is from homophobic men" 100%. Nothing to add. (by the way, how do I quote something so that it appears next to a bar, without having to copy and paste?)

"men who over-identify with their dogs" Have definitely seen the balls thing, utterly ridiculous. Or men who get the most violent dog breed because they think it makes them look tough!

I actually try to convert as many people as I can into cat people. It helps that someone I know has kittens at the moment, so I have ample photo and video ammunition :D

[–] Astraea1284 3 points (+3|-0)

by the way, how do I quote something so that it appears next to a bar, without having to copy and paste?

The only way I know how to quote text is to copy and paste, then highlight it and click the little inverted comma button or put a > next to the start.

My sister had a period of disliking cats because of her allergies (though she loved them as a kid) but when her partner moved in, he brought his cat - my sister not only realised she's no longer allergic, but absolutely adores this cat. I think my favourite recent story of "I'm not a cat person" conversion is a friend who also is allergic, but agreed to housesit for a colleague and look after his and his wife's cat. She used to compare cats unfavourably to dogs but eventually grew to appreciate the cat for who and what she was. I remember she was really panicked one day and asked me for advice: "I think the cat hates me! When I came home yesterday, she came charging out of nowhere and headbutted my leg!" She was baffled when I started laughing and said, "that's fantastic! Seriously that's a really good sign!" She hadn't known that headbutting is a friendly greeting among cats.

[–] sylviasmushrooms 17 points (+17|-0) Edited

The first thing I thought of when I saw this post was Alf, whose cat-eating was absolutely played off as a gag.

I've never thought about dogs being associated with men and cats being associated with women, but it's worth mentioning that while women are subject to the "crazy cat lady" trope, I think that men who own and love their cats both in and out of fictional mediums might actually get it worse. I can think of several cartoonish villains offhand who have fancy kitties they like to stroke indulgently and are coded as effeminate or gay, and I think that Jeff Goldblum's choice of a persian cat is supposed to make the character endearing while also emasculating him, demonstrating that his gentle, dutiful and by-the-books way of handling matters is outmatched by the brutish and cutthroat tactics of the inlaws to foreshadow later events.

I do believe that the relative emotionality of the animals are a huge factor when they're used as a narrative device to illustrate a shocking (but framed as ultimately harmless) act within a story. I think especially for inhuman characters we need to understand as inhuman, but stop short of viewing as monstrous, the blithe murder of a cat for nourishment (ie, need-based and not malicious) is a way to impart some emotional impact, but not as much as if the more friendly and human-loving dog bit it. Dogs fawn over their owners. Dogs are heavily dependent on humans. They can die of loneliness; they love unconditionally, even if their owner mistreats and abuses them. Dogs are often framed as purer and more innocent children who are utterly devoted to their caretaking parents. Additionally, I've noticed that a lot of the dog owners in my life (male and female) seem to view their dogs as an extension of themselves and the expression of their personality and values, down to the breed they chose for a particular reason. You can probably make at least a few accurate assumptions about the owner of a "rescue" pit bull or the owner of a teacup chihuahua, even if all you know about them beforehand is the breed of dog they own.

Cats are slower to trust and are far more independent, though certainly capable of love. I think that it takes a strong and self-possessed person who accepts that they might not always be the focal point of their pet's attention to own and love a cat. They're harder to love, though, especially if they are not our own, and that's why I think more cats die in movies. That being said, I agree that it is upsetting!

[–] DebraKadabra 14 points (+14|-0)

Fuck ALF. I hated that goddamn show and as a child I was surprised to find out that I was supposed to like ALF.

[–] sylviasmushrooms 11 points (+11|-0)

ALF stopped airing before I was even 2, so it's a bit before my time. I had an aunt who really liked it though; she had a big stuffed ALF and I remember thinking it was creepy, and then when I asked about it one of the things she told me about him was that he ate cats. I judged her for liking it lol.

[–] DebraKadabra 8 points (+8|-0)

I am also judging your aunt XD. I remember thinking how could anybody like something whose nose looked like a poop! What a gross character!

[–] Srfthrowaway 7 points (+7|-0)

Hated it too. We watched it all the time cause idk why. I hated it and my parents were mad that I hated it. I would try to go to my room to no avail.

[–] DebraKadabra 7 points (+7|-0)

That's cracking me up. Dammit kid, watch your ALF and eat your broccoli! Luckily my mom hated ALF too, but it's like, that's what was on the television y'know? And even though I lived in an anti-ALF household I still ended up with an ALF toy I found years later when I was cleaning out my room.

[–] boston11 [OP] 12 points (+12|-0)

You make a lot of great points! I completely forgot about the villain+cat trope, although I disagree that men who love cats have it worse than women. Sure, they are seen as not masculine enough, but that's pretty much it.

Really liked your analysis of the Jeff Goldblum's character. I would also add that Persian cats have a bit of a bad rep - they are seen as evil, spoilt and lazy. This cat in particular is held at all times and accompanies his owner everywhere. This brings a certain decadent vibe to the character, like he is spoilt and idle himself.

P. S. Your comment deserves a more thoughtful answer, but it's almost 6 am here and I haven't slept yet, so it's hard to form meaningful sentences 😄

I'm definitely here to discuss this more, even if responses are divided up by hours or days! I'm on new baby time so I check back pretty often, there's no rush. :)

When I wrote that men get it worse, I probably should have specified that they get it worse from other men, because of the association with feminine qualities. Men are shitty to women, and also men they perceive as woman-like (strangely this doesn't seem to extend to the wokebros stanning TWAW since... TRAs tend to have absolutely no problem asserting their entitlement.)

I kind of adore this movie and this character. I do think that the Persian was that breed, specifically, for a reason, but my read is that it is an evil, spoilt, and lazy creature that Goldblum's character dotes on, indulges and serves, because the joke is that he is a lawyer, and it is literally his job to serve and indulge evil, spoilt and lazy creatures.

[–] boston11 [OP] 3 points (+3|-0)

"the joke is that he is a lawyer, and it is literally his job to serve and indulge evil, spoilt and lazy creatures." You are completely right, this is a much better reading of the character than mine. In my defence, I only watched the movie so that I could see the cat scene in context, so it was a bit like homework rather than a reflective viewing. Although I can see why you like the film so much - it is probably one of the most stylish films I've ever seen.

I remember realizing at the age of ~20 that homophobia is rooted in misogyny, which is of course obvious, but back then it was a revelation to me. Stereotypically feminine men, or even just men engaging in what is perceived as feminine activities, definitely don't have it easy. And when it comes to owning cats, I definitely recall reading comments, from both men and women, that they find male cat owners weird and/or cagey. But there isn't this massive stigma in society towards men who like cats. Apart from the feminine supervillain+cat trope, I haven't really seen any negative characterizations - definitely not at the level of "witch" and "crazy cat lady".

[–] Srfthrowaway 7 points (+7|-0)

It took Sophia a few days to come out of hiding. Then I was sitting watching tv one day while hubs was at work and I just saw the standing up tail moving around the whole condo inch by inch. When she was done she came over to means looked up at the couch (she was too fat to jump when we got her, poor girl) so I carefully picked her up and placed her next to me. She started purring and that was that. When hubs came home she stayed put and when he sat down on the other side of her she started kneading his leg!

She had to decide we were her people.

[–] TerfSedai 17 points (+17|-0)

This is such an interesting post! Thanks for taking the time to write it up.

I just wanted to mention that there is actually a really famous screenwriting guide book called Save the Cat -- the idea behind the title is that a main character (the hero) has to do something sympathetic early on in a film (i.e. "save a cat") so that our sympathies lie with him/her from the very beginning

[–] boston11 [OP] 10 points (+10|-0) Edited

Lovely that the author called it Save the Cat! Thank you for reading 😊

[–] TerfSedai 15 points (+15|-0) Edited

Also, did you hear about the movie Keanu by comedians Key & Peele? I just remembered it's all about two men saving a kitten! I don't remember it that well cuz it was the third movie at a drive-in triple feature -- I'll have to rewatch it now after reading your post!

ETA: I just love the poster! https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4b/f0/f1/4bf0f190162d35b33e3e9bde1e514d07.jpg

[–] shewolfoffrance 14 points (+14|-0)

Fun fact: while filming Dracula, Francis Ford Coppola told the (mostly male) cast and crew to shout insults at Winona Ryder for a particular scene. Keanu Reeves and Anthony Hopkins couldn't/wouldn't do it.

[–] boston11 [OP] 9 points (+9|-0)

Oh my god I love Key & Peele! This is the kind of content we need and deserve 😄

[–] anonwasawoman 15 points (+15|-0)

It's weird that cats are the only animal assumed to be default female, and they're also the only animal sexualized.

[–] DebraKadabra 14 points (+14|-0) Edited

This is a brilliant post and I think you should submit it to, I don't know, something because I feel like I've been waiting for someone else to notice this unfairness all my life. In some ways it's worse than the dead-wife plot device.

I remember watching and enjoying some movie with ...Matt Damon? in it and in one scene they just flippantly threw a kitten in a meat grinder or a machine of some sort. I think I was supposed to laugh at this, but it made me feel horrible, and then horrible that I was supposed to find it funny and then horrible that people probably did find it funny. There's something wrong with people, I swear.

One good thing to come of cat videos is that even some terrible neckbeards have found out how wonderful cats are and the tides of cat abuse are turning I hope.

ETA: A weird experience I get at least once every couple of years in my 9th grade classroom is a student, apropos of nothing, announcing they hate cats, and absolutely no one says anything back. It's never dogs. Cats and spiders. I've learned not to use my cat stamps on their work. I'll get students who get really mad. I've been told, oh, well, maybe you need to be sensitive of cultural differences about cats. Ok whatever.

[–] boston11 [OP] 10 points (+10|-0)

Thank you so much! I really enjoyed writing it, even though it took half of the day. Luckily, I am unemployed 😂

I think I vaguely remember hearing about the Matt Damon movie. This kind of thing would bother me so much I don't think I would be able to continue watching... And yes, the worst part is that many people genuinely find it funny. If you want more proof, just check the comment sections of the videos I linked in the post. I think I spent 10 minutes just downvoting comments.

I HATE it when people, especially men, announce out of nowhere that they hate cats. Back in school I would have stayed silent as well, but if it happened now, I would let them know all I think about them. Where are these losers when I'm ready to show the world what a confrontational woman I have become? 😂

[–] platypus 12 points (+12|-0)

Thank you for writing this. I've been a cat person since I was little, and it bothers me to no end when I see them being mistreated on film. In Book of Eli, the movie begins with the main character killing and eating a cat. The guy we're supposed to care about and root for.

Another thing I hate is the "evil cat" trope. Cats are stereotypes as arrogant, selfish, narcissistic, resentful, even downright malicious. Even though studies show cats are just as loving and loyal as dogs, and even human babies.
Yet even people who "love" cats often project unsavory motives onto their benign actions.

We also condone violence against cats in real life, in a way we don't with dogs. Many people have this idea that a cat must be "roughed up" to get them accustomed to being handled by humans. All I can say to that is... think of the cats you've known who were "roughed up." Were they super friendly, happy, cuddly cats? Or were they always kind of pissed off?
If you want an affectionate, loyal best friend, be nice to your cat, people.

[–] boston11 [OP] 2 points (+2|-0)

Definitely glad I never saw Book of Eli, and it's not going to be changing any time soon. Expecting people to be cool with it and root for the guy that did it is infuriating, same as the Shape of Water.

You're right about cat abuse in real life, even just the "minor" things. I remember, whenever we had guests, kids would corner my cat, poke at her to get a reaction, try to touch her even though she looked really uncomfortable. And their parents would either join them or act as though it was completely normal to bother the cat.

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