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It was the first live action movie with a VERY badass female protagonist and equally badass female antagonists I remember watching... : https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/KillBill

I learned from a friend I had a few years ago that the movies were based on a Japanese Manga apparently : https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/kill-bill-inspiration-lady-snowblood-joins-comixology-unlimited-preview-972518/

The Kill Bill movies are one of the few action movies with a main cast mostly made of women that I know of... Both the main character and most of the people she fights against are women...

I also liked that in the last movie not only it turned out that her daughter survived and was well but she also got a happy ending with her daughter at the end of the movie after killing Bill... :)

It is so common in Hollywood for them to kill off powerful badass women in movies... I'm glad at least the protagonist of this movie ended up alive and happy with her daughter in the end! And without any blokes around to cause her trouble like Bill caused her either!

I would love a sequel to the two movies! I heard they may make a movie about the daughter of one of the women that the protagonist kills going after the protagonist when she is older wanting revenge for her mother's death and may end up fighting both the protagonist and the protagonist's daughter when she grows up!

If you know any other movies be they live action or animated with a cast most made of badass women like this one please do say so I would love some recs!

It was the first live action movie with a VERY badass female protagonist and equally badass female antagonists I remember watching... : https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/KillBill I learned from a friend I had a few years ago that the movies were based on a Japanese Manga apparently : https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/kill-bill-inspiration-lady-snowblood-joins-comixology-unlimited-preview-972518/ The Kill Bill movies are one of the few action movies with a main cast mostly made of women that I know of... Both the main character and most of the people she fights against are women... I also liked that in the last movie not only it turned out that her daughter survived and was well but she also got a happy ending with her daughter at the end of the movie after killing Bill... :) It is so common in Hollywood for them to kill off powerful badass women in movies... I'm glad at least the protagonist of this movie ended up alive and happy with her daughter in the end! And without any blokes around to cause her trouble like Bill caused her either! I would love a sequel to the two movies! I heard they may make a movie about the daughter of one of the women that the protagonist kills going after the protagonist when she is older wanting revenge for her mother's death and may end up fighting both the protagonist and the protagonist's daughter when she grows up! If you know any other movies be they live action or animated with a cast most made of badass women like this one please do say so I would love some recs!

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They are great movies, it's too bad Uma Thurman was permanently injured because Tarantino insisted she do her own stunts.

She was permanently injured due to the Kill Bill movies?

Yes, I did love it. Very stylized and executed well. Couple points for me that didn't sit well, is the fact that The Bride was in a coma and raped, it never comes up or given any attention to, Bill isn't held accountable for it. He put her there and he kept tabs on her.

There's also the fact that Bill was just an awful awful man, the age difference between them was great, pretty clear he groomed her, then she leaves him and he brutally beats and almost kills her, very reminiscent of how men act in real life.

Her growing strong and getting her revenge was great, and Uma acted the hell out of that struggle, but the end always got me a bit. I did like it, as a purely thematic choice, the way the character interacted together, how she kills him but there's a lot of emotion. I still didn't like how much respect he got in the end, he wasn't a great man, just another man who can't handle loss of control or a woman leaving him.

The scene with Ren will always be gold, form the music, setting and the battle. Beautifully made, the respect the women and for each other in the end. She had that same sort of respect with Fox, mixed in with rage and bitterness because she has a daughter while she believed Fox killed hers. Basically, loved the women, hated the men.

"Bill isnt held accountable" she fuckin killed him?

I think it's the fact that the brutal sexual violence itself was never acknowledged, only the fact that he kidnapped her daughter.

At the end of the movie, he's barely even treated as a villain. He's more like a kindly older man with an unusual philosophy. I guess it was supposed to be that way, because he was the "snake charmer," but it would have been nice for the confrontation to be a little more visceral. A little more closure.

Well, she does kill Buck as her first revenge for pimping her out during her coma. So some attention paid there. Bill is awful but all the characters were held up as warrior-like and he was supposed to be up there as one of the best fighters. He was her mentor and helped train her as an assassin, and now she’s better than him. So I think the respect she gives him is the same as that she gives the women she fought (and they her). The other women also participated in the wedding massacre although I know it was particularly cruel of Bill as a scorned lover whereas the others were just assassins doing another job I guess.

I know that Tarantino is very problematic in many ways, but I really adore both movies. I think I’m a little unusual in the sense that I do not strongly prefer one over the other. I think the flashy cinematic artistry in the first one has aged really well and doesn’t look cheesy or dated (except where it was supposed to even upon release), and the quieter, gut-deep catharsis in the second film is unparalleled.

I watched both films when they first came out and several times. Quentin Tarantino is one of my favorite filmmakers, for all the problems he have considering he is a man.

It has been a long time since I have watched Kill Bill vol 1 and vol 2, and I need to re-watch them through lens of my 49-year-old eyes as compared to when I was in my 20s. (Actually after a quick look at the release date, I was 30 when it came out) so almost 20 years since then.

Since I am reading some of your comments, I wonder what you think of the animated film Belladonna? It was directed by Japanese filmmaker and it is about a woman who was raped by the feudal lord set in medieval European times, and she got angry about the rape, and was considered a witch. It is on Amazon.

I saw it. The story is sad and art is beautiful. If you take out certain scenes like Like the completely unnecessary orgy and most sex scenes it would be much better. Anime feminist has two articles about it https://www.animefeminist.com/reconsidering-belladonna-of-sadness-still-powerful-after-almost-50-years/

https://www.animefeminist.com/versus-trauma-or-titillation-perspective-and-assault-in-belladonna-of-sadness-and-perfect-blue/

I agree with you and thanks for the links to the articles - I will read them.

Oh I never heard about Belladonna! I'm gonna have to watch it sometime!

Yesss I love Kill Bill. Just watched them all again last year.

You might really like Death Proof, also from Tarantino.

Ahhh, not enough people talk about Death Proof! That cast and soundtrack 👌 👌 💯

Honestly not even a big "car action movie" person but that one was SO BADASS!! Also the soundtrack is amazing especially love the "Chick Habit" track!!!

Thanks for the rec! I will add that one to my list of movies to watch! :D

The Lady Snowblood movie is interesting and worth a watch. I did not know Kill Bill was based on it. I'll have to finally watch it.

The TV show Nikita is probably the closest thing I can think of. I wish there were more media with bad-ass heroines. My personal favorites are Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV show, not the film) and Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.

Other mentions: G.I. Jane, Xena Warrior Princess, The Hunger Games, Princess

Slim pickings, unfortunately.

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I wouldn't really recommend the manga for Lady Snowblood. It was written/illustrated by the same two men who wrote Lone Wolf and Cub, both of which have their merits, but both are also deeply sexist, being produced by men in 1970s Japan. For example, in both series a rape victim tries to get revenge against her rapist by....showing him her naked body and trying to seduce him, which never sat right with me.

Yep I read the manga has a bunch if sexual content as I remember. I wanted to watch the movie because maybe it's more tame or what not but then I remember it came out in the pinky violence era of Japanese cinema. However I looked up the parents guide on IMDb and it said there was little nudity and doesn't seem to have sex scenes so it isn't sexually explicit as the manga.

I loved Kill Bill. I still have a copy of "The Whole Bloody Affair", which is more or less how it was supposed to be seen with both movies stitched together without censorship. The downside to that is men like Tarantino gotta shove their weird fetishes into everything. But I'm not even sure you could censor the weird fixation with feet he puts into the film. I digress, the fight with Lucy Liu is still my favorite part of either movie.

I liked Lady Snowblood a lot, but the premise for it is bit off-putting. Her mother's raped, so her life purpose is to seek to vengeance against the two men and one woman responsible. Still, I love the blood effects, and she has a lot of sword cool scenes. There's a second film as well, but it's just been sitting on my movie drive untouched. The manga's seinen, which... I don't think I've ever really enjoyed material in that genre. It seems from what little I've seen to be a more extreme version of the film. Also as cool as the name snowblood is, and I suppose relevant to her fights, it's a weird translation.

woah woah woah Miss Garland, WHERE can I get this copy?

Download JDownloader and find the appropriate container file online. It should be around 5 gigs.

Kill Bill Vol 2 is one of my favorite movies of all time. Beatrix Kiddo (The Bride) is one of my heroines. She’s a total badass. I love the movies for all the reasons you list, and more.

Tarantino's was thinking about more movies in which Beatrix's daughter fights Nikki, Vivica A. Fox's daughter...with Uma as well. But Quentin said he's retiring, so...?

I don't think it would work well anyways the magic can't be replicated. It was lighting in a bottle, everything happened at just the right time. Sometimes we just have to let media rest and be. Endless sequels and nostalgia bait cash grabs have weathered me out.

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