And since it is said so often: I disagree that all of these men are just bi men in denial. I fully believe that straight men are also capable of developping a fetish for trans identified men. It's not attraction, it's fetishization.
Definitely agree. Heterosexual men will fuck anything and anyone, and it has nothing to do with sexual orientation. I like to point to men in prison who fuck each other, but then have no interest in men when they re-enter society. I'll also point to historical societies where men fucking boys was a norm, or a present day example in the Dancing Boys of Afghanistan. The men who engage in that aren't gay or bi. They're solely focused on getting their rocks off and disassociate the hole they use from the human that hole belongs to. It's gross.
Other examples of functional bisexuality are past and present military social groupings. The British navy was described by the phrase rum, sodomy and the lash. Cabin boys were abused and referred to as pogeybait, the name of the type of candy used to entice them.
British all male boarding schools are notorious for older boys assaulting younger boys and same sex relationships that were normalized only in the school setting. Afghan warriors are rumored to have younger men/boys as lovers with the older man at the top of the hierarchy. More men than we like to admit will screw a soft pretty boy if a soft pretty woman isn’t available. Just sigh.
This was bog standard in Edo Period Japan (and probably before that.) Older samurai would take younger samurai as lovers while also instructing them in bushido. Buddhist temples were also notorious for this, and there were the wakashu, young male prostitutes who dressed in feminine clothing and who apparently were quite popular with men. Of course the modern left treats it as "OMG SO PROGRESSIVE", as if pre-modern Japan was this super-tolerant society of free queer love while being completely blind to the fact that it absolutely wasn't. It was patriarchal and strongly hierarchal. Homosexual encounters mirrored heterosexual hierarchy of man=active master, woman=passive servant. The only ones to benefit from these relationships were wealthy (and most likely straight) men.
I like to point to men in prison who fuck each other, but then have no interest in men when they re-enter society
That's called "situational homosexuality"
The men who engage in that aren't gay-
Or "straight"
The historical examples of men fucking boys, the bacha bazi in regions of Afghanistan, the past and present homosexual military structures, etc prove sexuality is complex
Men are not interested in women. They are interested in "femininity"
They fuck anything and everything regardless of age
"Child marriage" and adult-minor activities used to be the norm. Little girls would be "married off" to their rapists. The Christians of the time believed masturbation to be more "perverse" and "sinful" than adultery and rape. It's not as if men were only after boys. Girls were affected the most
The culturally produced fear of and prejudice against homosexuality has been a problem since the dawn of civilization. Boys are more "feminine" than men. Men would engage in activities with boys and not men because the activities wouldn't be seen as "that gay". They wouldn't threaten the illusory "heterosexual" identity
Men are not interested in women. They are interested in "femininity"
I doubt it... "femininity" is a relatively recent invention if you're talking about all the trappings and looks that don't occur naturally for females. It's more likely men are just on average super fucking horny and some of them are willing to stick their dick anywhere if they are horny enough. I think many men form fetishes and the attraction to "femininity" is like a fetish, a very common one that most people don't notice because it's just so normalized for men to be turned on by women in sexy dresses and lacy lingerie (more turned on than when they're naked).
I agree with your second point. Look at how heterosexual men can be disgusted by natural women (women who don't remove body hair, etc.). They have consumed so much artificial imagery of women that they've fetishized a fake version of women, and that fetishization "over-takes" their natural sexual attraction to women who exist in reality naturally. It's not the same natural male heterosexuality that would exist in prehistoric nature, for example. (I hope this makes sense).
Well then I guess HSTS Tims will finally have their dream come true... for like a minute. Some men whose supposed heterosexuality has been occluded by porn-induced fetishism might give them a try. But since HSTS are more likely to get the amhole and AGP (who want women, not men) are likely to forgo 'bottom surgery', their gonna find out really fast that wounds aren't sexy. Or idk maybe they'll be after specifically "chicks with dicks". I don't pretend to understand the demented male porn-rotted mind.
HSTS constantly complain that men have sex with them then never talk to them again or never want to get to know them. It makes me sad kind of.
Reminds me of when I was a teenager and everything was all about anal.
Overheard boys in my class, and saw more than a few online posts saying how they tried it IRL and it was gross, and smelly, and they didn't get the hype all of a sudden.
The fetish was only ever theoretical, through porn-use, but once they tried it themselves they realised it wasn't their thing at all.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if lots of men "try" a transwoman because it's glamourized in porn, only to find that this was a theoretical fetish that they don't actually enjoy, and perhaps even find repulsive. Actually, I've seen a few posts to that effect too.
Another example is I used to be a "BDSM and non-con are hot actually" libfem, since that was all the rage then too (pre "choke me daddy" days) until I met someone who was also into it. We literally got to the point of him setting out the rules and getting into his "persona", and I was like "I feel like you're actually a rapist and you're just pretending this is a kink so I'll let you hurt me".
He acted hurt and started sulking about that, then started getting angry, but I was up and out the door with my bag and never entertained the idea that these things were sexy or even slightly okay again.
I feel like in the 90s/00s there were so many stories of male celebrities getting caught with TIM prostitutes. Makes sense that the fancies of the elite have trickled down to the general male population
Who was caught with the TIM prostitutes? I was around in the 90s/00s but can't think of any, I'm curious now!
Having a trans fetish is the next step for many men with porn-brain-rot. They watched so much porn that "normal" hetero porn is no longer arousing to them. They need a new thrill, something more extreme and find trans porn.
And since it is said so often: I disagree that all of these men are just bi men in denial. I fully believe that straight men are also capable of developping a fetish for trans identified men. It's not attraction, it's fetishization.