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Yeah parents can select the sex of the embryo - and put it into another woman

I don’t like IVF, I know lots of people argue with me about it on this site but I’ve come to the conclusion that I just don’t agree with it

[–] Luckystar 4 points Edited

Not all or even a majority of IVF uses a surrogate mother though. You're welcome to not choose it for yourself or even personally dislike it, but it's definitely a part of reproductive freedom for women in general to be able to conceive, the most obvious example I can think of being that IVF means lesbian women can conceive without having to have sex with a man.

[–] zuubat 3 points Edited

IVF is not necessary for women wanting to conceive without heterosexual intercourse. All that’s necessary is donor sperm and a procedure for getting it to where it's needed - via intracervical or intrauterine insemination.

IVF is necessary only for women or couples with serious infertility issues, or when a lesbian couple want a pregnancy where one woman provides the egg and the other gestates the baby. It is also used in other cases of gestational surrogacy.

EDIT: for clarity, specifics.

All that’s necessary is donor sperm and a procedure for getting it to where it's needed - via intracervical or intrauterine insemination.

You left out intra-vaginal insemination, which is still a very common method, especially for women who go the DIY at home route. Not all means of artificial insemination require the assistance of medical personnel.

Intravaginal insemination (IVI) is the simplest kind of insemination and involves the placement of sperm into the woman’s vagina. It’s pretty much what happens during sexual intercourse in terms of placement of sperm.

This method of insemination may be used when using donor sperm, and when there are no problems with the woman’s fertility.

IUI and ICI are forms of medically-assisted artificial insemination used by the fertility industry, often when there is some issue with the sperm that means the sperm needs washing or some other kind of manipulation beforehand.

Usually, when people talk about artificial insemination, they are referring to IUI or intrauterine insemination. IUI is a fertility treatment that involves taking specially washed semen, and transferring the semen into the woman’s uterus using a special syringe.

While IUI is the most common form of artificial insemination, there are other methods of transferring sperm into a woman’s reproductive system.

Intra-uterine: Ideally, sperm should be placed as close to the cervix as possible. With intracervical insemination (ICI), the sperm is placed directly inside the cervix, using a needless syringe.

Intracervical insemination is more common than IVI but less common than IUI. It may be used if a couple wants to save money on the treatment procedure, as ICI is less expensive than IUI, especially if the semen is not pre-washed.

https://www.verywellfamily.com/what-is-artificial-insemination-1960181#:~:text=With%20intracervical%20insemination%20(ICI)%2C,increase%20the%20chances%20of%20success.

[–] ProxyMusic 2 points Edited

IVF means lesbian women can conceive without having to have sex with a man.

Please stop using lesbians who conceive through artificial insemination to justify IVF! Most lesbians and other women who conceive through artificial insemination do not get IVF. IVF is only for women with particular kinds of infertility issues.

Lesbians and other women have been conceiving without having sex with a man and without IVF since at least the 1970s. Without medical doctors either. The DIY at home method using a syringe or pipette aka the "turkey baster" method works fine for a lot of women.

I am sure you can make your case for IVF based on the specific subset women with certain kinds of infertility issues that IVF is meant for - and any other group who directly benefits. But please stop dragging lesbians into it and using lesbians to cape for your position. It's exploitive. Some would find it insulting too because you are equating being a lesbian with having physiological/anatomical infertility issues requiring IVF. You are essentially saying that the only way lesbians can possibly become pregnant is through IVF. Which is total horse shit.

[–] Medusa91 2 points Edited

I’m aware of other peoples feelings on this site which is why I didn’t bother to go into why I disagree with the whole concept of IVF. I didn’t say I was going to start a campaign against IVF or start picketing outside of IVF clinics and telling women they’re bad people for deciding to opt for it. I just think there’s a wider conversation to be had that most people don’t want to engage in and as far as my feminist interests go IVF doesn’t rank particularly high. It’s not worth sharing my thoughts or feelings on the matter because you or someone else will just shout me down on the matter.

It’s not that deep, I don’t agree with it, your welcome to feel otherwise. This site does annoy me sometimes.

One of the problems discussing it on this site and everywhere else is that a lot of people speak as though IVF is the same as assisted reproductive technologies/techniques and artificial insemination.

IVF is actually just one particular form of ART used by one subset of people who use ART and AI. IVF, whereby eggs and sperm are merged in lab dishes and embryos are created outside women's bodies by doctors and lab techs, then transferred into women or frozen, is the most complicated and ethically thorny form of ART. In most ART, the fertilization occurs within women's bodies.

Lots of people who have no problem with most forms of ART have issues with IVF specifically. But it's hard to debate the differences with those who won't acknowledge that there is a difference to begin with.