YES‼️ I’m a brown immigrant from a third world country, and your observation that “LibFems don’t care about me, they care about what I can do for them” is SO true for me too! Honestly, I think it’s just another form of racism. It’s just as insidious and dehumanizing, and I’m forced to shut up about it lest I be branded some sort of “terf” or “white-adjacent” or whatever they like to label people of color who disagree with them.

I have noticed how white liberal feminists parade black women in what I can only call a show of minstrelsy, in order to prove their woke credentials. It has nothing to do with “listening to black people,” and is no different than that hilarious photo op of Trump with his black supporters (hilarious because he could not pretend to pray for even one minute, lol).

I have also noticed that when I have spoken up for sex-based rights, and when I have discussed my own experiences of constant sexual assault and rape, it is black women who silently like or might be brave enough to actually comment and agree, saying my experiences echo theirs; not white women, who will instead proceed to verbally burn me at the stake, all while, in the height of irony, calling me a white feminist.

I am guessing that my experiences of sexism are more akin to many black women’s because I have also been picked on for intersectional reasons (if libfems actually understood intersectionality, they wouldn’t come after me this way; they fail to realize white women can also experience other axes of oppression apart from sexism), because of my mental differences (I won’t say illnesses) of ADHD and bipolar 2. Predatory men pick on the most vulnerable and despised women of society, so they pick on women of color, poor women, prostituted women, addicted women, and mentally atypical women. My risk of rape was nearly the same of that of a Native American woman, slightly more than that of an African-American woman; and once you’ve been raped once, especially young, the chances of it happening to you again skyrocket. I have found that women of color and other white women with difficult backgrounds or mental difference understand my experiences of sexism a lot better than your average white libfem. Then again, maybe those white libfems have similar experiences and don’t speak about them for fear of being branded white feminists, I don’t know.

This was a long way of saying I have always been a radical feminist, because I have always had my eyes open. I find similarities in the kind of sexism I’ve faced when I meet women from other countries like Mexico or South Korea. What liberal feminists can’t admit is that it happens here too and yes it is that bad. Our problems in the States, including for the most privileged of women, are as bad as they are for women in South Korea; we’re just policing each other from talking about it.

I have always related more to women who have experienced the same level of sexism I have and can speak about it openly. This is usually women of color, both because they are also more targeted and because they have slightly less to fear from the Wokerati, although it’s cold comfort considering the Wokerati don’t actually make life better for anyone, they just virtue signal, and the tiny amount of freedom of speech afforded women of color in some circles doesn’t protect them from the systemic violence and disenfranchisement they face from the rest of society, which of course woke liberals do absolutely no real work to remediate.

Edited to add that the slight leeway vis a vis freedom of speech that the Wokerati provide for women of color in majority white nations is itself stemming from racism, as they can’t continue their minstrel parade of Wokeness if they can be openly seen silencing said women, so they just don’t say anything at all (or the more bold ones will call women of color who speak honestly about feminism “white feminists” too, perhaps with a less vicious pile-on). Considering that protecting their own interests and continuing to exploit women of color for woke points is the only reason for slightly less viciousness- i.e., racism is the only reason- it’s actually not less vicious, it’s more vicious in that it’s indicative not of cognitive dissonance but of awareness that they, the white people, are using women of color to prove themselves good people. At least they have the honesty to accord white women the respect of viciously attacking them over their views, whereas the women of color being used for virtue signaling aren’t even seen as real people worth engaging with on an issue; rather they are seen as props, and when they malfunction, they simply drop them and move on to the next one.

I am not black, (middle eastern/west Asian) but I grew up surrounded by black people. Moving to a predominantly white place was jarring for me. They are passive aggressive as hell and only want you (and anyone darker than the shade of eggshell) to speak up solely to confirm their beliefs on your kind.

I spoke out against Islam and was called "biased". Yeah, it's a garbage religion that treats women like shit. Reality is my bias, Tiffany.

This is why I am so against the blm movement, when white people shout BLM they don’t mean it, they only want their picture posted online at a blm March so they can say that they are activists and progressive but then turn around avoid the black person at work, give them the shitty jobs at work, don’t stop for black people in the streets who try to cross the street (but they would for a white person), they avoid places where a lot of black people life, think “this is a shitty part of town” when driving past a playground full of black kids, assume nothing when the full cast to a show is all white, are surprised and feel “betrayed” when they find out the podcast speaker is black.

There’s only so much I know as a white immigrant... but I feel that blm will make things worse in work cities, on an individual level.

Commercializing feminism was a brilliant way to undermine it.

I think that, yes, libfems are complicit in the problems right now. But I'm also aware it does not cut along the lines of race. Many, maybe most, libfems are white, yes. But radfems come in all colors. I would just hope we all take a breath and remember we're all fighting this thing together, regardless of race. We should not be pitting white against POC. Then we get split up again, and the groups fighting het reduced in numbers once more. And so the opposition wins: not through their own works, but through women's inability to fight together.

Ditto for the europeans and the white elites almost everywhere around the fucking globe

Yep. It's the canceling of feminism. Nobody wants to be associated with "white feminism" or called a terf on the left, just like women on the right don't want to be a "feminazi".

The result being there is NO actual feminism in the US.

Start at the weakest point (everyone hates white women bc they're "Karens") and work your way through other groups of women demonizing everything they do, say, think, and voila! Pretty soon all women are the worst beings on the planet.

Oh my god. that comment about looking to the Muslim woman’s husband, father, or son makes me sick. I cannot believe that nursing schools are teaching this ass backwards misogynist garbage. Don’t female patients get slapped with the hysteria card enough?? Don’t women and poc and have their symptoms dismissed on the regular by entitled white shithead doctors!? Libfems should focus their energy on how it takes 10 years on average for a woman to be diagnosed with endometriosis. THAT would be making a positive difference in women’s lives. Instead they are teaching women to disregard the autonomy of their female patients the same way the white male medical establishment has for decades. All the whole patting themselves on the back about how woke they are.

Say whaaaaat. Ask the men??

It appears to be a bit of both. Liberal feminists want to have their cake and eat it too. They "care" about these minority groups of women but only in name and only as long as they agree ideologically on every single front. So in practice these "feminism is for everybody" feminists end up hurting the vast majority of women of color, lesbians, women in conservative cultures/religions (Muslim women possibly being number one), sex workers, etc who they claim to want to protect. Just watch how they denigrate and dehumanise women who dare speak up about very real, very widespread travesties like female genital mutilation. Liberal feminists seem to think policing women's speech and thoughts is activism.

Honestly, it reminds me a lot of how white activists, in an effort to seem woke, often end up amplifying the least concerning issues that women of color face. Like endlessly talking about black women not having as many makeup options due to skin color rather than attempting to listen to us talk about male-on-female violence in black communities, or police brutality against black women, or black women's abuse in medical care, or the mistreatment of black women in the prison/legal system. A lot of that is stemmed in a long intertwined history of misogyny and racism. But they only seem to care about the racism part and disregard how integral biological sex is. These perhaps well-meaning people go on to parrot common talking points with the exact tunnel vision you mentioned. And when they finally encounter actual black women, for example, who intimately know the struggles of working-class women of color that don't actually agree with their flawed understanding of black perspectives, they go off. They get offended. They can't see past their own desire to be seen as a good and caring person and paint us as the bad guy.

Suddenly, everything you know and have experenced means nothing. You've made them confront the flaws in their approach and they don't like it. Now you're the enemy. I see this pattern repeat so often against all kinds of women that liberal feminists claim to want to uplift and protect. The hypocrisy is very glaring.

Can't agree more. That last sentence says it all.

I think the tokenisation of Muslim women is pretty common across the political spectrum, unfortunately; it's always either 'the hijab is great and every Muslim woman loves it!' or 'as a trans woman, I converted to Islam because in religion, absolutely everything is your choice, there are no rules, you can be genderqueer and run a pub in a bikini and your spirituality is Still Valid' or otherwise it's 'every Muslim woman must wear 6 burkas from birth and may only speak once a year at her husband's command, to tell him he's pretty neat'. I wish I could say radfems were more nuanced than other groups on this but I haven't seen it.

It cracks me up that people I know who call them progressives and feminists are so pro capitalism while they cheer on some kind of socialist revolution. They wouldn't get their $1100 iPhone made by Chinese children or sex trafficked porn if we actually made real social changes based on socialism. They love to laugh at religious hypocrites while not realizing they're the biggest hypocrites around who do the same shit!