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There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that most peoples problems are caused by the modern world - working mundane jobs for and with people they dislike, in toxic and stressful environments, paying half their wage to landlords, never having enough down time for leisure and exercise and let’s not forget, the ability to maintain a healthy and rewarding diet.

Capitalism & patriarchy has literally ruined the human psyche and the planet.

[–] vulvapeople 1 points Edited

I have a theory that most people's problems with basic well-being are due to a poor diet. I see many people on social media complaining about being "tired", and they often seem to be implying it's for political reasons ("Trump makes me tired", etc.), but I wonder how much some B vitamins and iron would help, not to mention omega-3s, adequate protein, adequate cholesterol. I'd guess even a lot of people who think their diets are great for them have been betrayed by poor nutritional advice from "experts".

Well it's made the difference between crippling obsessive thinking/depression/anxiety and not having them, and being able to cope with stressors, in my largely unstressy life, so it works for a few of us.

Yeah, there’s a fine line to be drawn here. My quality of life has been greatly improved by the existence of medication and therapy. Some people need mental health medication the way some diabetics need insulin. On the other side of that line are entities who really are pathologizing normal human states of being, from the people who self-diagnose themselves with autism/ADHD/DID/ABC/BBD/theEastCoastFamily in order to feel special to BigPharma providing incentives to MDs to prescribe certain drugs. I hesitate to overcorrect the latter and say that BigPharma is unequivocally bad, because, you know, that’s why polio is back.

I don't think this is referring to actual psychiatric conditions. More that modern discourse encourages everyone who is sad to think they're depressed, everyone a bit nervous thinks they're having panic attacks, everyone who isn't the life and soul of the party thinks they have autism etc.

[–] otterstrom 4 points Edited

The only difference between this and “actual psychiatric conditions” is a matter of degree, scale, luck of the draw with your therapist, or your insistence.

Yep. I've tried to go without meds twice in my adult life, and my ocd became crippling again; I think I'd be dead or a serious drug addict without. Men taking estrogen for their fetish is nothing like using antidepressants, and it's ignorant/cruel to suggest otherwise.

What if I suggested that women with trauma taking testosterone was similar to giving out tranquilizers to anxious housewives?

There is a link. I'm sorry if you can't see it.

Have you read Dr Jess Taylor’s work on exactly this subject? Her most recent book is called Sexy but Psycho and is about the pathologisation and medicalisation of women’s experiences and trauma.

She also doesn’t believe that any mental health diagnoses (outside of those caused by brain injury or genetic etc) actually exist. It blew my mind at first but I am inclined to agree with her and you.

OCD isn't just "anxiety", and feeling like you're qualified to determine who is and isn't helped by medication is a dangerous pastime.

Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. I'm pretty sure "the next person" wasn't walking around with anxiety that was causing them to have panic attacks, sleep only four hours a night, vomit, and drop to an unhealthy weight. Some of us have had objectively bad mental health issues that deserve serious treatment. At one point I finally found a med that was giving me 6+ hours a sleep a night and I cried tears of joy. I told a friend about this success and their response was, "that's really a cop out, drugs aren't the answer, you should just drink some tea instead, works for me!" Okay.. good for you, but have you had all the difficulties that I've had? I promise you I've tried all the holistic treatments and I don't appreciate being shamed for seeking out a better quality of life. Not to mention chronic sleep deprivation and high cortisol increases your odds of developing pretty much every disease. Honestly though, someone's situation doesn't have to be extreme to seek help, anyone who feels that they have mental blocks that are holding them back from living the life they want to lead should explore therapy.

Yeah. Mine is ultimately not that bad. But it has BEEN bad and I would rather not be constantly thinking about walking into traffic, thanks. A low SSRI dose seems to be the difference between can cope and catastrophising, and to help give me the, uh, spoons to use good mental health techniques and be able to take good care of myself.

Some people really don’t see the difference between “when I did this then I found…” and “if you do this then you’ll find…”

Medication is sometimes necessary, but the way it is used these days is very wrong. Medications such as antidepressants are often prescribed without any effort put into diagnosing. Very often there is something going on, sometimes medical, and sometimes situational. Prescribing antidepressants for that is kind of like prescribing aspirin for someone who's being punched in the face on a regular basis.

If you ask me - the big issue is that medication is used as a first resort rather than a last resort.

My mother was prescribed medication on her first visit to a psychiatrist; it not only did nothing for her OCD, but it also gave her suicidal ideation she did not previously have and scared her off from psychiatry for good. She's doing a lot better now, but it's mostly thanks to lifestyle changes that eliminated a lot of stressors from her life.

I had the same issue when I was severely depressed. The first therapist I talked to told me to see a psychiatrist for an antidepressant prescription and basically washed their hands of me, which only intensified my stress and anxiety. My current therapist still recommends medication, but she at least understands that I'm wary and we've made good progress through therapy itself.

Yes, absolutely. Or prescribing opiates for a broken bone, while telling the person to just pop a pill every six hours and keep walking around ad infinitum, rather than “use the opiates for a few days until the acute pain wears off, stay off it and wear a cast for a few weeks, go the physio faithfully, and you shouldn’t need any pain relief at all by then.”

I’m not denying that some people might need psychiatric meds chronically, but some people can cope fine with only lifestyle changes and CBT, and some need meds to facilitate the lifestyle changes and CBT but don’t need them for years/for life. Very few doctors have the skill to tell the difference, so they just reach for the prescription pad.

A fuckin primary care physician can just pass out antidepressants, it's crazy.

I am so over modern mental health "best practices" bc they were all designed to help straight white dudes. The therapies, the medicines. Women are and always have been an afterthought and the DSM is a racist, classist, misogynistic piece of shit

I'm following psychotherapists who are critical of the chemical imbalance theory and mass marketing depression, but god this works for so many things. Women's natural distress from inhospitable conditions they are under continually gets redirected and blamed on them so we can be marketed various cures and solutions. Trans is just the latest fad to do the same. And it will be remembered about as well as the lobotomy.

Have you seen the recent studies about the chemical imbalance theory being debunked? It was and is always a marketing scam.

[–] FemmeEtal 1 points Edited

Thank you! The lack of education in the U.S. strikes again! If people had basic scientific understanding and anatomical knowledge, bogus misinformation wouldn’t always gain the traction it does and embed itself into society, it’s infuriating!

NYTimes has had two articles this year reminding readers of the debunked 'chemical imbalance theory'

AMEN!

Big Pharma has pathologized and monetized basic human experiences. And sold people on the lie that a magic pill or surgery can make it all better

[–] moody_ape 11 points Edited

recently, a friend of mine told me her psychiatrist said she might be "ciclotimic" because she has cicles in which she'll be anxious and full of energy, and she gets things done, etc. then she has periods of sadness and low energy, won't do stuff, etc. i was like "hmmmkay... so you're normal?"

life is stressful and we all have cicles. there are times when we are really motivated and times when our energy has been depleted and we need to slow down and "recharge". People require different time cicles, but i think it's normal. now this doc is out here saying she has a mental disorder similar to bipolar disorder (literally used to describe it) because she gets tired of her absurdly stressful routine and she needs meds to deal with it........ ??? wtf?

i while ago i was working at a job and a scientific research at the same time. the lab was far from home and i had to sleep in a friend's apartment. i couldn't cook there because the apartment was virtually empty. had to microave meals and eat fast food at the university. worked remotely from the lab at a job i hated. btw, i also hated the research, nothing worked, i was reaaaaaally tired and unhappy. had a sort of break up and was feeling super lonely... when i drpped all of that (a privilege, i know), my quality of life improved and i no longer feel depressed at all. i feel great, actually!

when we can't stay away from stressors (like a job you can't simply quit, or an abusive relationship you can't simply walk away from), we develop mental disorders such as depression and anxiety. you can search about it, it's science. that's why people need meds. they treat the symptom, not the root cause of the problem...

You ain't lying. Every mom I know, including myself, is on at least a low dose of antidepressants. We are all different classes, weights, races, etc. The one thing we have in common is that we are mothers, either single moms doing it all, or what I call Married Single Moms who get nothing but a paycheck and regular oil changes (not a euphemism) from their husbands

I realize it's totally anecdotal but like none of my childfree friends admit to being on meds and I don't think they'd lie to me about it.

I would love to see a real study done on this

mothers are the number one victims of overworking (is that a word?). i think they are the most overwhelmed and exploited of people. and the most blamed for everyone's mistakes. that's so unfair...

there are studies about the biological markers of depression. search for BDNF (brain derived neurotrophic factor - important for the health of neurons), stress and depression. You'll find real studies connecting stress and depression with low BDNF being a biological marker. chronic stress affects BDNF levels, which in turn appears to cause depression symptoms. it's very interesting and informative. ad it kind of explins why we currently live in a mental health crisis era. our modern life is very stressful and inescapable.

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I think another reason why this happens is that therapy can be shitty, and it's difficult to find a good psychologist. Most of them just shoved mindfullness and breathing excercises my way, they didn't care to get to know me and my problems.

I'm trying to find a radfem therapist bc I know I'll get annoyed otherwise bc a lot of things I have to work through are related to trauma from men

The last thing I need is a gender-woke pickme therapist

i have previously used n.e.u.r.i's for heightened situational anxiety. few months here and there over the years. i have cptsd to the point i'm considered disabled and have had doctors offer me full time use of brain chemical drugs. i'm sceptical because i have seen a lot of people substitute the drugs for therapy and more long-term coping skills.

my sister, who has terrible OCD in addition to our shared cptsd, is currently hooked on benzos (klonopin) and pops s.s.r.i's like tictacs. she's also a low functioning alcoholic who thinks it's funny that she's been lying to her therapist for 15 years.

the conspiratorial part of my brain (fellow ptsd ladies, i know you hear me!) wants me to think that it's just another money making trap in the giant pyramid scheme that is capitalism. my inner optimist hopes that the people who develop these things really think they're helping and just don't understand the potential revenge effects.

Honestly if a therapist can't clock an alcoholic, I'd be concerned. When I was a high functioning heroin addict, I fooled my therapist and psychiatrist for over a year. They had no clue even though I was very obviously a junkie lol

I haven't been back since going to rehab 6 years ago bc I'm still shocked at how fucking dumb both those men were

it's pretty amazing. she knows all the things to say. she cancels appointments when she's been on a long drunk and only goes when she's looking healthy-ish. people didn't believe me when i would talk about it, so i finally started taking people with me to her house in the middle of the day for my welfare checks. it's really hard to be passed out on the kitchen floor with your pants off at 11 in the morning. once i went to get my niece at 7am and she was already staggering drunk. like holding on to the hallway drunk.

she probably hasn't been to therapy for a hot minute, though. she's been looking like a walking corpse for the last 3 years. our granny died from alcoholism and it's like watching that all over again. every couple of months i get a stream of abusive text messages for 8 - 12 hours but mostly we leave eachother alone. i spend time with her kids, i wait in the driveway for them to come out of the house.

congrats, btw, on your sobriety. i was a high functioning opiates user for some time myself, many moons ago. it was tough to walk away, but i'm glad i did. and glad you did too.

Klonopin can be a depressant. I used to take it and I’d be depressed for the next 2 days.

There’s also a side effect called rebound anxiety, but I’m not sure if it’s an experience of comparing the returning anxiety to the (Klonopin-induced) non-anxious state or whether the metabolization of Klonopin creates more anxiety.

Either way, it is helpful to have for panic attacks, despite that side effect.

Benzo addiction is rough. Coming off even a relatively short course of them is very difficult. I hope she's able to taper slowly, because going cold turkey from a high dosage can have frightening side effects.

Alcohol and benzos are the only drugs that can cause you to die from withdrawal. It's very scary esp when a loved one is addicted

she's a lost cause, I'm afraid

"mental health" pharmaceuticals, hooray.

This is why I’m thinking about going off antidepressants

Talk to a doctor before you try it on your own. Depending on what you’re taking, you might have to taper instead of quitting cold turkey.

Oh of course I wouldn’t do it myself. I’ve just had the idea for a while.

A friend had such weird symptoms going cold turkey off an SSRI that he (and his doctor) thought he was having a stroke. IANAD etc but especially depending on which one, it might be worth seeing if your doctor will help you taper, or at least looking into tapering by cutting up pills yourself.

They come with heavy withdrawal side effects when you do. be careful.

I came off antidepressants, which were doing nothing for me longterm, and needed an alternative so I found some effective herbal supplements after researching nootropics, and looked into more lifestyle-based interventions as well. Just went for a walk in the sun, appreciating the nature around me and that's something I never would have done when I was on meds. But, I started with my herbal treatment + daily selfcare habits (especially building up my hygiene and cleaning habits). So far so good. But yeah, I don't know that I'd ever have got through the withdrawal without finding an alternative.

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