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[–] BeninBronze 19 points (+19|-0)

Thank you for your condolences.

I realize that the way I talked about suicide came off as too harsh. I certainly acknowledge that bad mental health, depression, and trauma can cause a person to feel that they don’t have another choice. It just grinds my gears how much TRAs use suicide as a tool to further their agenda instead of putting their resources into suicide prevention for the vulnerable people in their community.

[–] NotCis 17 points (+19|-2)

I agree completely. Using suicide as a manipulative tool is a whole other ballgame and it's awful.

[–] Tnetennba 1 points (+9|-8) Edited

It's not, it's EXACTLY what you just argued. You're proving TRA points for them. You literally said it isn't a choice, just like they do, as if people become possessed by ghosts that force them to kill themselves. That's absolutely absurd.

It's disturbing, it's shocking, it's upsetting, but at the end of the day it's still a choice.

When I made my attempt I was in an immense amount of pain. But I made the decision to stop the pain. It was me. Nobody else was there, there was no unseen force pushing my hands into place, there was no spiritual possession happening. I made the choice to attempt to end my life. I can blame other people for not helping me enough, but that's counterproductive and a revision of history. I made the choice to isolate, to deny help, to keep pushing myself deeper into darkness. It was me and me alone that caused my attempt after I weighed the choices.

[–] NotCis 10 points (+10|-0)

You misunderstand me. I do not believe that depressed people "choose" to commit suicide in the traditional sense of having a free choice. I believe it's an outcome of their mental illness. I view that as extremely different from gender extremists THREATENING suicide as a tool of manipulation. They're like abusive men - they're not actually at risk of suicide, they just want you to think they are so you'll do what they want. Truly depressed people who are at risk of suicide do not behave that way AT ALL. On the contrary, the people I've known who were at risk of suicide were terrified of being a burden to others. The last thing they wanted to do was try to control me. The situations are not remotely analogous.