[–] NotCis 12 points (+22|-10)

I can't agree with that. Mental illness, including suicidality, is not a choice. Major depression and other mental disorders are deadly, treatment doesn't always work (and some anti-depressants even INCREASE the risk of suicide), and suicide is a result of that illness. I'm very sorry you lost a family member to suicide.

[–] BeninBronze 19 points (+19|-0)

Thank you for your condolences.

I realize that the way I talked about suicide came off as too harsh. I certainly acknowledge that bad mental health, depression, and trauma can cause a person to feel that they don’t have another choice. It just grinds my gears how much TRAs use suicide as a tool to further their agenda instead of putting their resources into suicide prevention for the vulnerable people in their community.

[–] NotCis 17 points (+19|-2)

I agree completely. Using suicide as a manipulative tool is a whole other ballgame and it's awful.

[–] Tnetennba 1 points (+9|-8) Edited

It's not, it's EXACTLY what you just argued. You're proving TRA points for them. You literally said it isn't a choice, just like they do, as if people become possessed by ghosts that force them to kill themselves. That's absolutely absurd.

It's disturbing, it's shocking, it's upsetting, but at the end of the day it's still a choice.

When I made my attempt I was in an immense amount of pain. But I made the decision to stop the pain. It was me. Nobody else was there, there was no unseen force pushing my hands into place, there was no spiritual possession happening. I made the choice to attempt to end my life. I can blame other people for not helping me enough, but that's counterproductive and a revision of history. I made the choice to isolate, to deny help, to keep pushing myself deeper into darkness. It was me and me alone that caused my attempt after I weighed the choices.

[–] Tnetennba 13 points (+17|-4)

It's not too harsh, people are simply too icked out by these discussions to look at them critically.

It's a choice. That's the very ugly, very disturbing truth.

[–] shewolfoffrance 7 points (+8|-1)

The thing is, people who threaten suicide to manipulate their families do need mental health intervention. They don't need to get whatever they want, right when they want it.