[–] shewolfoffrance 9 points (+9|-0)

Also: no one ever discovered their diabetic identity through sissy porn.

It’s absolutely ableist. That’s like me, a normally fertile woman, saying I can’t live without my IUD. I absolutely can. I have it because getting pregnant at this point in my life would be financially crippling. Hell, I have a higher risk of dying in childbirth than a TRA does of committing suicide.

People with type 1 diabetes don’t take bullshit when it comes to the oppression olympics of life or death medications and healthcare costs. When a typically healthy child’s body up and fails them for no discernible reason, and they become completely reliant on big pharma to live, they become pretty jaded pretty fast. Source: my husband got diagnosed with t1d when he was 7.

[–] Jinera 11 points (+11|-0)

It is ableist. My pain medication allows me to do a lot of things I wouldn't be able to do without it, but I don't consider that lifesaving either (although I would want to die without tho ngl 🥲). Yet these people suffer not a single physical consequence for not starting on hormones. In fact, they will be healthier!

If you will kill yourself when you don't get medication you do not need, the only life saving medication you actually need are anti-depressants.

[–] PlainSimpleTailor 10 points (+10|-0)

TRAs will piggyback any issue as long as it benefits their agenda. They appropriate LGB struggles by claiming gender identity is innate like sexuality, they appropriate intersex conditions to "prove" that sex is not binary and people can exist anywhere on the "spectrum", they appropriate the suffering of women of color who are denied person- and womanhood because of racism and act like males being denied womanhood is the same thing, and it's obvious they won't stop at appropriating disability and chronic disease to get their purely cosmetic treatments.

[–] ditchwitch 13 points (+13|-0)

The lifesaving treatment they need is therapy to get to the root of their obsessive thinking about their bodies. Unfortunately it's more complicated & less profitable than jabbing yourself with a needle. I hope someday we humans can get our priorities in order.

[–] questioningtw 18 points (+18|-0)

This has always bothered me, even when I was more of a TRA, it bothered the hell out of me that a lot of trans people seemed to think that they couldn't live without transtioning NOW. And now with puberity blockers a lot of trans people are acting like a child going through the puberity they don't want is hellish. What gets me is I was born with a birth defect where my neck is fused and I don't have great balance and it affects my hearing and even my eyesight. If I had thousands of dollars I could get surgery, but I don't and wouldn't want to risk my life anyway. There are also a shit ton of people that need surgerys that they can't afford. Why in the world should people that have perfectly healthy bodies, get top priority?

[–] shewolfoffrance 8 points (+8|-0)

Yes, yes, and yes! So much medical research is profit-oriented. I hate that people with mental health problems aren't getting the help they actually need, and that people who legitimately need mastectomies and endocrinologist's help have to wait in line behind "trans kids."

[–] Radical 25 points (+25|-0)

I agree.

As a person who was born with a disability and inherited health issues, I also take offense at their favourite phrase "born in the wrong body". It's such a slap in the face to everyone who was born with severe birth defects and health issues. Especially because it's coming from people who have healthy, non-disabled bodies.

They think they do, but they don't understand what it's like to live with a body whose sole purpose seems to be to make your life as miserable and painful as possible.

[–] EllaWashington 28 points (+28|-0)

Does this person also mention the now-ridiculous wait times to get an appointment to see an endocrinologist for their diabetes?

My stepson's mom was once 20 minutes late bringing him to an appointment (t1d), and we had to wait another four months to get him seen.

The waiting room was filled with trans propaganda and several 'trans-kids'.

I would lose my god-damn mind. It’s already incredibly difficult to find a good endo who truly understands type 1 diabetes and how to help kids and families manage it well. It’s bad enough having to fight the type 2’s for appointments. My husband is type 1, and I fear having to deal with this should one of our future children get diagnosed.

[–] Mother-of-Rats 12 points (+12|-0)

I guess there’s more money is giving male children female hormones and female children male hormones. I mean c’mon the doc has to get the money to buy his second yacht SOMEWHERE!

*this is firmly tongue in cheek. The vast majority of endos are in it because they love how fucked up the endocrine system is, the money is just the icing on the cake.

[–] hedy -11 points (+4|-15)

I can't agree with this, which hinges on the dated belief that physical health issues are more real and more important than mental health issues. Either we believe that people who believe that their sex is not their sex have serious mental problems and need help (help that doesn't indulge this delusion with repercussions extending well beyond them as individuals)...or we just plain hate them.

[–] Criticalcat 8 points (+9|-1)

I am surprised at the lack of mental health empathy and nuance here. More people than I expected are saying psych medication isn't essential (and multiple people in the comments are saying this). Suicide isn't an inevitability in any untreated mental illness, whereas diabetic comas are inevitable without insulin. I support mental health care and psychiatric medication. I have empathy for people struggling with suicidal ideation. Schizophrenic and bipolar episodes are medical emergencies. There are more risks than just suicide. Being mentally stabilized through any means can be 'lifesaving' and I do think people in crisis deserve support. (inpatient treatment, medication, emergency intervention). But antidepressants and psych meds are not in the same category as insulin. Hormones have such a different mechanism than psych medication, and with such high mental illness comorbidities it seems like hormones shouldn't be treated as the first line treatment for gender dysphoria. That said, this person is well within their right to call out the hormone comparisons they've experienced, especially with the overlap in care for diabetes with endocrinologists.

[–] Radical 17 points (+19|-2) Edited

Nobody is saying medication for mental illness isn't essential.

TRA's seem to believe that not being able to have SRS whenever they want is just as life-threatening as someone whose been in a serious car crash, or someone who has deadly disease/illness, and requires surgery.

It doesn't take a genius to understand that a severe physical disease/injury is more life-threatening than a mental illness. Some with an advanced, potentially fatal disease is at more risk of dying than someone whose depressed and suicidal. Hypothetically speaking, the suicidal person can be held down to stop them from killing themselves. Nobody can hold cancer down until they're able to have surgery. TRA's believe otherwise.

[–] Tnetennba -4 points (+6|-10)

Nobody is saying medication for mental illness isn't essential.

I'm saying that. As an entire society we've been fooled about the nature of "mental illness" and it's "treatment". We have a massive epidemic of child abuse and/or sexual abuse resulting in lifelong trauma and instead of addressing that we've decided sedation pills are more "effective" (aka they require WAY less work and make billions of dollars a year).


Otherwise I agree with everything else you've said.

[–] BeninBronze 49 points (+54|-5) Edited

It’s insane how much the TRAs weaponize suicide as if it’s an inevitable outcome caused by an external force. And they are so inconsistent! Are trans people commuting suicide because the people around them don’t accept them or is it because of the “mismatch” between their body and brain? It’s just an excuse to manipulate people to act a certain way around then and also to justify the grotesque surgeries and hormone therapies they choose to undergo.

A diabetic or cancer patient would literally die without medical treatment because their body would fail despite their will to live. I recently had a family member take their own life and through the painful aftermath of it all, it’s become clear to me that suicide is ultimately a choice that one makes. People with real diseases don’t have a choice.

Who could possibly downvote this?

[–] BlackCirce 1 points (+3|-2)

Probably those with “fake diseases” that make them either intermittently or constantly consider suicide

[–] yarnfiend13 30 points (+30|-0)

it's especially disgusting when they egg "trans kids" on to weaponize suicide as well. just vile

[–] NotCis 12 points (+22|-10)

I can't agree with that. Mental illness, including suicidality, is not a choice. Major depression and other mental disorders are deadly, treatment doesn't always work (and some anti-depressants even INCREASE the risk of suicide), and suicide is a result of that illness. I'm very sorry you lost a family member to suicide.

[–] bornwithovaries 19 points (+21|-2)

I've been suicidal. I attempted one of those times. It's a choice.

Especially in situations like when a man wipes out his entire family and then kills himself to evade responsibility.

I hate the phrase "died by suicide." Suicide is not a ghost hovering over you who does the stabbing or shooting or pill dunking or whatever. YOU did that.

People will get angry that I said all this, and that's fair. It's how I feel regardless.

[–] TinyAngryLesbian 22 points (+25|-3)

From the perspective of someone who has attempted suicide, I have to disagree with you here. The depression and anxiety I was experiencing may not have been within my control but the decision to try to kill myself was just that, a decision. If suicide were an inevitable thing for people who are distressed, how can you possibly help them? Yes certain treatments may not help and can in fact make the urge to kill oneself greater, but the desire to die is very different than the active decision to kill yourself. That is why depressed people, as well as gender dysphoric people, need a healthy balance of therapy (that does not couch reality to them) and a supportive network of friends and family who do the same.

We can have sympathy for people who are struggling with suicide without pretending it poses the same immediate threat to one's life that lack of insulin does to a type I diabetic or someone battling breast cancer.

[–] Tnetennba 23 points (+29|-6) Edited

Hard disagree. Your rhetoric 100% supports what TRAs are saying. Yes, it's absolutely devastating and it's incredibly difficult to seek and receive appropriate help, but it's still a choice. No otherworldly external force is making people kill themselves. It's harsh, it's ugly, it's blunt, it's "mean" but it's the truth.

Edit: one of the hardest mental health lessons to learn is that you CANNOT outsource your resiliency to other people. You can't just deny any responsibility on your part. You can ask for support and advice, but you cannot rely on other people to do the hard work for you.

And if it truly ISN'T a choice, every single person with a depression diagnosis should immediately be put under 24/7 surveillance in a hospital somewhere. They might suddenly die at any time and we have no idea why, because apparently it isn't a choice.

I just think about the pedophiles that kill themselves before their trials. Was that a choice? Women who kill themselves before they could be captured by enemy forces, was that a choice? Or were these people so out of control of their actions that SOMEHOW they ended up dead?

[–] WynningIt 6 points (+6|-0)

That doesn't make any sense. Depression is a spectrum. Some people with depression are suicidal, some have suicidal ideation and some have neither. I had debilitating depression for nearly a decade. I never attempted suicide in that time, because I wasn't suicidal. It's not because i just chose not to.

And just because someone can chose suicide for reasons other than depression (such as your examples), that doesn't then mean a depressed person just chooses it. I think we need to get away from this idea that suicide is ALWAYS the result of depression.

[–] BeninBronze 19 points (+19|-0)

Thank you for your condolences.

I realize that the way I talked about suicide came off as too harsh. I certainly acknowledge that bad mental health, depression, and trauma can cause a person to feel that they don’t have another choice. It just grinds my gears how much TRAs use suicide as a tool to further their agenda instead of putting their resources into suicide prevention for the vulnerable people in their community.

[–] shewolfoffrance 7 points (+8|-1)

The thing is, people who threaten suicide to manipulate their families do need mental health intervention. They don't need to get whatever they want, right when they want it.

[–] Tnetennba 13 points (+17|-4)

It's not too harsh, people are simply too icked out by these discussions to look at them critically.

It's a choice. That's the very ugly, very disturbing truth.

[–] NotCis 17 points (+19|-2)

I agree completely. Using suicide as a manipulative tool is a whole other ballgame and it's awful.

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