[–] RadioLouder 14 points (+17|-3)

I disagree all detrans people are success stories. While they may have "overcome" their dysphoria (so to speak, and not true for all detransitioners anyway), they are also going to have life long effects of the shit the medical complex have pushed on them.

[–] [Deleted] 16 points (+16|-0)

I didn't say all detrans? Of course they'll have repurcussions, there's no mental illness that doesn't. You ruin your life, your body etc with whatever coping mechanisms you find. The issue with this is that it's sanctioned and supported by governments and the culture. And it's not just individuals with body dysmorphia, all mental illness seem to be cause for transitioning now. Especially because of the online culture and cultism what it does to vulnurable individuals, though you also have the deviant personality disorders taking advantage of this as well. It's not really a simple topic or idea but it is worth noting, that in terms of desiring or detransing these people have overcome a lot of brainwashing/mentally illness etc to get to the point where they realize they hurt themselves and it wasn't okay.

[–] arylcyclohexie 7 points (+7|-0)

yeah i agree.

there's the initial layer of mental illness and/or trauma that causes someone to transition which doesn't fix their problems at all. now they have to overcome the cult and what is a new mental illness, on top of the original which has definitely been exacerbated. then they lose all their friends and very often times they don't have much support anymore. right? the government doesn't even support us. it's hard to make it sound as much as it is. you have to reform your entire mind and world.

i think someone is successful for getting through any part of this. we will have scars forever but isn't being detrans rather than trans a success story? it's just really hard to feel like that when you're repercussions are dire. it is breaking out of a cult. i wish it was an exaggeration. it's hard to feel happy for any success. it's really hard to see people who haven't figured it out yet because i know they'll be hurting soon, too.

definitely, all mental illness can be a cause for transition now. totally not just body dysmorphia, even in 2012 peak tumblr years people could sneak by and still transition. what about all the websites telling you what to say to your doctor to get hormones? i was on tumblr at 13. i wasn't looking at trans blogs specifically but i would see trans posts from time to time... i was very mentally ill, vulnerable, and on the internet 24/7. it screwed me up. i never had much body dysmorphia until i found yaoi blogs then wanted to be a "pretty guy" because i felt subpar as a girl. i started noticing new insecurities about my body but because i already knew about trans, i put 2 + 2 together and thought that's why. instead of you know, just being a teenaged girl is really hard and boys weren't into me lol. i then bring autism into the mix omggg being mentally ill and online as a child is why i even thought possible to change sex. this topic does get a little bit complex

note: deleted comment was me. i said "yes" to "are you sure?" but i meant no. trying to edit for typos, i'm not great at typing :) said something like ""it's successful in that we woke up, but it's hard to feel like that or even bittersweet when you are missing a bunch of a body parts and it didn't have to happen"

[–] [Deleted] 2 points (+2|-0)

I agree. It's bittersweet, I think all victims an vulnerable people who have been preyed upon by abusers, cults etc feel like this. You broke free which is a success on it's own but the damage to you and your life and body is just too much sometimes. The trauma and PTSD would just add on to any existing issues. It's so irresponsible and downright inhumane the stance people have taken on this issue. There is no happiness or quality of life at the end of transition, because it is a symptom of the underlying mental illnesses. You can't give into a symptom, you'll only ever get worse. It'd be like telling a depressed person to keep cutting and lauding them left and right. Sure they'd feel the euphoria of acceptance and groupthink but at the end of the day they'll be the ones dealing with a body full of scars and no true people to call friends.

[–] Cessatrix 1 points (+1|-0)

I'm worried about my niece in middle school, going through her awkward phase constantly online. Do you have any advice for how I can support her?

[–] RadioLouder 2 points (+2|-0)

I get you. I definitely misread that one and sorry for that!

[–] [Deleted] 0 points (+0|-0)

Np! Your comment also gave me some things to think about. :)

[–] KBash 1 points (+1|-0)

I agree with you.

People with bipolar disorder- particularly bipolar 1- regularly ruin their lives when in a manic state, if they don’t manage their condition. People with schizophrenia obviously can harm their own health and livelihood by not managing their condition, though the medications for schizophrenia are so harsh, that they need all the support they can get to stay healthy and relatively happy, whether they’re delusional or not, with the least amount of medication necessary, since they can have profound side effects (I think the way society tends to fail people suffering from severe mental illness is tragic and unforgivable). People with severe bipolar disorder also may have totally unmanageable lives and need to take powerful drugs with lots of side effects, and they need help, too.

Something like PTSD I don’t think of as a mental illness so much as a severe physical disease that also causes tremendous psychological distress. There’s no way you’re getting out of it without some damage to your body, simply because of how hard it is on your body; and many people with PTSD- as with any other mental illness- use drugs and alcohol to self-medicate. Prescription drugs to manage symptoms of PTSD can have lots of side effects, too.

Drug addiction is another disease, one with physical and mental components, which can devastate someone’s health.

If any of these people are able to control or stop having the symptoms, or using the drugs- they are a success story, regardless of any damage they may already have done.

It is so, so hard to overcome mental illness or addiction! It’s a minor miracle and a sign of incredible strength and/or luck.

So I fully agree with you. Detransitioners are a success story, physical damage or not. Especially with all of society propping up the delusion that you can change sex, it takes incredible mental strength to reject that narrative, as a person who has dysphoria, and who has transitioned; to go back on such a life-changing decision, and to question the narrative when most of society can’t- to admit to a mistake, in this of all situations, with absolutely all of society arrayed against you in your acknowledgement of the mistake- well, it’s not just successful. It’s nothing short of astonishing.