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[–] PGTips4Lyfe 80 points (+80|-0)

This.

Had a TiM think he was beating me with logic by telling me he exists.

I said, yes, you exist. You exist and you are still a man.

[–] [Deleted] 1 points (+1|-0)

Rocks exists too. Existence is a point of reality. I don't know why they think it means jack when they say it, especially since their entire identity is built on make belief.

[–] PGTips4Lyfe 2 points (+2|-0)

The mantra ( think is) is I EXIST. THEREFORE I AM VALID, THEREFORE EVERYTHING I BELIEVE ABOUT MYSELF IS REAL AND VALID.

Like no, you exist, but that doesn't make everything you believe valid just because you say its valid.

Inb4 I am an actual attack helicopter.

[–] Roseelesbian 61 points (+61|-0)

Yes exactly. It's really funny when they try to say "You think we don't exist?" like I know you exist, you're very loud, you make yourselves known.

[–] user2873 49 points (+49|-0)

Holy shit yes.

"HA so I guess I don't exist then" No dumbass, you exist, you're just not "non-binary"

[–] nobitary 39 points (+39|-0)

How would we even debate whether they exist? Would we debate it WITH them? "I mean, I see you're saying you exist, but I'm not so sure.." Is this a psychiatry ward?

[–] KBash 17 points (+17|-0)

“Is this a psychiatry ward?”

Yes.

[–] sconsolato 6 points (+6|-0)

might as well be. I think that is insulting to psych patients though, they aren't as deluded as some people I've seen on twitter today.

[–] JenniferLiam 38 points (+38|-0)

I'm SO grateful for people who can put things into words so clearly. Shame I'm not on Twitter anymore, otherwise I would be posting this screenshot under every tweet I saw that said nonsense like "you're debating our existence".

[–] llkit 32 points (+34|-2)

A lot of the arguments seem to be so teenage and exaggerated. "I didn't ask to be born!" storms off slams bedroom door. Sounds like the precursor to, "you can't deny my existence!".

As I tend to patiently explain, you can separate out trans people from the policy they are advocating. Different questions and critiques can be asked of both.

Frankly though while they're encouraging endless pondering about what a woman is (never a man mind) we have every bloody right to question the basis of trans identity as well as the required policy.

[–] KBash 16 points (+16|-0)

I like to counter the “you wish we didn’t exist” argument with “I also wish feminists didn’t exist.”

You know, because in a post-patriarchal society we’d have no need for either transgenderism or feminism.

[–] BogHag 15 points (+15|-0) Edited

This isn't a phase, mom! This is who I really am! If you can't accept me, I'll kill myself and it'll be your fault!

[–] [Deleted] 2 points (+2|-0)

Why did the general public start to take this nonsense seriously? You don't negotiate with this shit, you shut it down.

[–] Emily 4 points (+6|-2) Edited

"I didn't ask to be born!"

"you can't deny my existence!"

I do not see the connection. The former acknowledges the fact noone asks to be born, and indeed, noone does, while the latter maintains a fixed false belief (e.g. one is of a "gender identity" when there is no such thing) that is often not amenable to change even in light of conflicting evidence.

There is no evidence that a fetus chooses to be born, their brains being a small, smooth structure. A 2 year old can not "choose" anything in a meaningful sense, as their brains are not sufficiently developed. We can argue, with confidence, that when a 2 year old infant can not "choose" anything, not even the food they eat, a gamete, zygote, embryo, or fetus can not either and plays no conscious, intentional role in birth.

There are occasions on which teenagers are wrong; however, "I didn't ask to be born" is not one of them.

To dismiss the argument, simply because it is more common among teenagers, is a fallacious attack of character, the attribute of the ones making an argument, rather than understanding the substance of the argument itself.

And if "I didn't ask to be born", a true statement, is more commonly understood among teenagers, then it appears teenagers are, at least on occasions, more knowledgeable than adults.

[–] Hollyhock 3 points (+4|-1)

They are alike because both are just tantrum-based exhortations with no useful contribution to discussion.

[–] Emily 3 points (+3|-0) Edited

"I didn't ask to be born" carries with itself a powerful message.

Consider, society has too many issues. Every member's "livelihood" depends on numbers or pieces of paper called "money", and one's dependence on it is total and immediate.

"I didn't ask to be born" criticizes the action of birth, being thrown into this society, and the situation of economic "exploitation", in which everyone is pressured by a hierarchical social environment to work not only under threat of starvation or poverty, but also of social stigma or status.

That is one out of the many issues.

"I didn't ask to be born", as much as it may get the knickers of "parents" in a twist, lets them know they should have thought properly before "creating" a new human being. That it is not a good situation to "create" a new human being, and so on, and many who "carry" the "responsibility" (they never asked for), to pursue good education and find a career just so they do not starve in this societal "competition" to "survive", are frustrated, rightfully so, with their birth.

Nothing can contribute more to the discussion than the simple "I didn't ask to be born" slogan, I believe.

[–] llkit 0 points (+0|-0)

It's all about existence and acknowledgement or not thereof. Didn't say it was logical :-)

[–] yikesforever 25 points (+25|-0)

They love to say that we say they don't exist, and use that as a reason for #nodebate. It's such a strawman argument.

We're debating the ideology. Not their existence.

[–] sonic_fiXXation 18 points (+18|-0)

Maybe we should be debating whether they exist. I think what we'd find is they are like a religion/cult, their identities are a set of beliefs, and not a material reality.

[–] hedy 2 points (+2|-0)

I mean they've never even tried to base their argument for the existence of gender identity on a material reality, sooo yeah.

[–] Luckystar 1 points (+1|-0)

They exist in the same way a religion or even something like schizophrenic or anorexic, or even flat earthers and anti vaxxers exist. People who espouse certain beliefs, and apparently feel very strongly about those beliefs, exist. This has no bearing on material reality.

[–] sarahsmile 14 points (+14|-0)

What’s hilarious about this argument is that they legitimately proceed as though women don’t exist.

[–] yesisaiditxx 13 points (+13|-0) Edited

One of my old friends who is “non binary” posts a lot about how hard it is when people won’t accept you exist 🥴

I try to actually understand what they mean but I can’t. I know if someone didn’t understand I was a woman they would be fundamentally incapable of knowing much about me…but…they would know I exist, but I guess what it means is they wouldn’t see me in a way that recognized certain traits, biological needs, and social positions that make up the person others interact with? That’s the closest I can get to seeing it but that doesn’t make sense still because my being a woman then signifies things to an other…we’re constantly told that non-binary can mean whatever any one individual wants it to mean and you’re a piece of shit if you make any assumptions or try to define it…so no, acknowledging you’re non-binary does not enable me to see you more fully…the only thing anyone is denying exists is your right to beat everyone over the head with your demands for special attention and for them to tip toe carefully around your fragile sense of self due to hating your own sex.

[–] VirginiaWolfberry 11 points (+11|-0)

I have some close relatives who vehemently don’t believe homosexual behaviour is valid, a position I personally think is appalling. Not once have they said me or other gay/lesbian/bi mutual relatives don’t exist.

[–] RisingUp 5 points (+5|-0)

Imagine if you believed you were the ghost of Alexander the Great in yesisaiditxx’s body. Then it would make sense to stomp around in a huff claiming that people believe you don’t exist.

A person has to be totally caught up in a narcissistic delusion, and also on some level know they’re delusional, for “you think I don’t exist” to make sense. They’re mad at the whole world for breaking their delusions by seeing them as they are.

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