[–] PGTips4Lyfe 13 points (+13|-0) Edited

I'm going to have to make an OP about this because, I've had some conversations with pro-sex work men and it really made me realize how insidious the entire idea of sex work is.

Sex work and patriarchy are interchangeable. They can't exist without the other.

Patriarchy exists to deny the importance of women's pleasure during sex. It exists to say women should be laborers in sex and men should take pleasure from them. It exists to perpetuate that sexual pleasure for women not only doesn't exist, that even if it exists is not important and something nobody needs to consider. Or even worse, that it is something that no man has to work for. And finally if it exists, its not damaged by turning sex into WORK, a TOIL, a STRUGGLE, LABOR and SUFFERING.

No girl ever, in their life, has a dream of being a prostitute, of having the greatest pleasure of life twisted and poisoned into a labor, an exploitable thing. All girls want to be romanced and loved and to enjoy pleasure from that love. Sex work is PATENTLY INHUMANE.

Women's orgasms matter. Women deserve orgasms!! The giving of money IS NOT ENOUGH and will NEVER BE ENOUGH to justify taking away women's pleasure, of erasing her needs for intimacy and joy in sex. All of this is all tied to the MYTH that women and girls are not fully human like men are. That we don't have the same need for release and joy in sex, and that is the cornerstone of patriarchy, that women exist for men to take their pleasure from, and nothing else!

[–] Julie92845 8 points (+8|-0) Edited

One of my exs would constantly harass and coerce me into sex. It went on basically every night for years. One I had a medical procedure and had to wait 6 weeks for sex. He coerced me into BJs and HJs the whole time and exactly 6 weeks after he started harassing me for intercourse again because he'd "waited the 6 weeks" like he was told.

It's been years and I still don't really enjoy sex much anymore because of it. Maybe once a month.

[–] womenopausal 3 points (+3|-0)

What a piece of shit. Sorry love :-(

Sometimes I think, eh, maybe I'll give men another chance and then I see this kind of thing and..... maybe nah.

[–] PGTips4Lyfe 5 points (+5|-0)

I'm so so sorry. : (

This is what I'm talking about. Sex work, being coersed into sex for whatever reason, with people who dont give a fuck about your pleasure, its damaging to your psyche. It's really bad.

[–] [Deleted] 8 points (+8|-0) Edited

I dislike a lot of things I have to do at work, sometimes they’re even very stressful.

But even on my worst day this job still doesn’t give me worse PTSD than most war veterans, force me to work for or with dangerous criminals, expose me to a litany of serious health and safety issues, or otherwise ruin my life.

If it did do any of those things, you better believe I’d consider it unethical and worthy of being abolished.

[–] Liandra 7 points (+7|-0)

Any job that causes people to have trauma does concern me. It's not about having fun or not o.

[–] shewolfoffrance 31 points (+32|-1)

I mean, I worked in retail before, and the customers were awful, but they never strangled me or tried to make me do illegal drugs with them. And my manager didn't groom me online when I was underage, so that was nice.

[–] Jade 14 points (+14|-0)

or tried to make me do illegal drugs with them

A lot of people overlook this as well.

I know for a fact that prostituted women aren't "doing it just to support their drug habit", but I have seen with my own eyes how 19 year olds start developing a booze or coke habit to be able to do it. It's the other way around.

And that is without factoring the women who can "work" sober but are pressured daily into taking illegal drugs with the "customer" because they want a "fun girl" who "parties".

[–] Coffeefiend 3 points (+3|-0)

I actually know someone who did end up in prostitution due to her heroin addiction. It was incredibly sad. Thankfully, she’s no longer doing that and has been clean for a year, but it left her with a lot of trauma.

[–] shewolfoffrance 6 points (+6|-0)

As if her "manager" would back her up she refused a client's "offer" of drugs.

[–] Jade 6 points (+6|-0)

I'm going to be very honest here and say that I did see this in the golden age of a now decaying stripclub. Dancers were instructed to report on drug offers and the offered was indeed kicked out. Dancers who didn't report and were caught with drugs were also fired on spot. Don't be mistaken, this was less about "protecting the dancer" than it was about preventing the Council to access the CCTV, see drugs being passed on and used, and revoking the club's license, costing the owner hundreds of thousands £££.

But yes, the norm is to be permissive of even more than just coercion to taking drugs.

[–] Althea 32 points (+32|-0)

They know it's not the same thing. How many "sex work is work" types, male or female, would advise their daughters/nieces/younger sisters to get summer jobs as prostitutes? How many of them would advise their sons/nephews/younger brothers, regardless of their own sexual orientation, to become rent boys for gay men?

[–] pennygadget 37 points (+38|-1)

Sex Positive men WISH women getting raped was a normal part of a McDonald's shift...

For real though, only an idiot who hates women would claim that scrubbing a toilet or working a shit retail job is on par with being raped multiple times a day just to survive

[–] fightlikeagirl 55 points (+55|-0)

Right? "Well all laborers sell their bodies!" Nah sis, getting sore feet from an 8 hour shift and being used as a stranger's living fleshlight are not the same thing.

[–] [Deleted] 22 points (+22|-0)

my favorite is when "leftists" say this as if it's an argument in favor of sex work when it is literally the most extreme example of how capitalism exploits people and destroys human relationships.

[–] Mary_C 9 points (+9|-0)

Yeah like they honestly think they have this big "gotcha" moment. No sis. Marx, Engels, and Emma Goldman were all SWERFs. "Sex work" is capitalist AF.

[–] Researcher1536 35 points (+35|-0)

I had a supervisor say this. "What's the difference between selling yourself to a company and selling your body?" A fucking LOT.