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[–] [Deleted] 63 points Edited

Right. Nothing misgenders TIMs more than the respect and empathy they garner from too online people for bullying minimum wage workers.

Women have got to stop being so afraid of being called stupid names for asserting any fraction of dominance or respect. Kids on the internet act like anything short of allowing someone to spit in your food is asking too much.

There was a picture floating around Twitter that had thousands of likes with the caption "Karens in the wild." The picture showed four women who were over 40 laughing and eating dinner together. That's it. That was the crime. Having a short, easily manageable haircut and being older than 39. The poster admitted they didn't do anything rude or treat anyone poorly. They just existed when the photographer would prefer they didn't.

It really doesn't matter where the term "Karen" came from and what intentions it was started with. It's now just another way for men to silence and embarrass women for being too opinionated, demanding respect, or aging.

I worked in retail and while we did have snotty or demanding female customers, the men were always the scariest. Women would say they wanted to talk to my manager. Men would talk about wanting to beat me up while calling me b**** and c***. Odd how there's no Karen equivalent for that kind of male behavior.

If TRAs truly saw TIMs as women, they'd hate them just as much as they hate us.

Kids on the internet act like anything short of allowing someone to spit in your food is asking too much.

this is so true. i remember a woman talking about how her grandpa is "like a male karen, but a good one" because of how he treated his hospital bills. like when they were needlessly expensive, he called the hospital and asked for the exact scalpel that the doctor used to perform surgery on him because if the treatment was so expensive, he might as well deserve to take home the instruments used on him. all i could think was that, if a woman did this, everyone would accuse her of being an evil karen who deserves public shame all across social media platforms.

[–] [Deleted] 36 points Edited

As a black woman, I no longer use the word Karen. The word was taken from the black community to expose the habitual racism we experience from white women to justify misogony. Now anything a white woman does that someone doesn't like makes her a Karen. It's not even about racism anymore, it's just to attack women. I stopped doing it after I saw a young girl labeled as '' Karen '' just for saying she didn't like hookup culture.

Edit: so many racist here... like, the fact you are sex based oppressed doesn't take away your whiteness.

Karen was always used to describe women and women only. There's nothing special about racism from white women. I've no idea what you mean by "justify misogyny". Women don't have more power in a patriarchal society than men by any contorted logic. That's reminiscent of the centuries-old accusation that women use their "womanly wiles" and sexual prowess to control men. Misogyny twisted around and used against women.

History indicates that Karen was always bound to be used to describe women who simply don't human in accordance with the wishes of someone somewhere.

That's reminiscent of the centuries-old accusation that women use their "womanly wiles" and sexual prowess to control men. Misogyny twisted around and used against women.

Just like when Bill Burr went on SNL and claimed that White women were more to blame for Black oppression than White men because....they could have convinced their husbands to stop being racist by refusing to fuck them

100% agreed. Can/should we criticize individual women for being racist, or for that matter being tone deaf, entitled, and abusive of their social privilege? Absolutely.

Should we do so in a way that is abusive of the whole category of "females"? Absolutely not.

And I agree with the dilution of the original anti-racism critique. When it's used to criticize any 'bad' behaviour, it utterly undermines its function calling out the specific harm of racism.

[–] yikesforever 14 points Edited

because it wasn't misogyny in the first place, having a word just for women? plz. i laugh at that.

[–] ouvalemonde [OP] GIRLBO$$ 10 points Edited

I appreciate your insight! That's fucked up that a girl got called a Karen just for being sex culture critical.

Also, I'm not really "online" outside of radfem spaces really so I can't say firsthand that I've noticed this a ton, but I think it's also being gradually broadened to be used against women in general, not necessarily white women. Which further dilutes the meaning, and allows for a broad misogynistic term without any nuance.

The moment white men stole it to refer to all women they dislike it lost its meaning.

And white men can be racist too, why isn't there a word for them?

[–] pennygadget 1 points Edited

The word was taken from the black community to expose the habitual racism we experience from white women to justify misogony.

They always steal all the good slang

I will say that I saw someone in the comments of my local news call the Star Wars TIM a "Karen" -- he said something like "Well, I guess he just went full Karen on that old man, didn't he? (insert laughing-crying emoji here)" And as much as I dislike the word used as it is, something about seeing that middle-aged white guy hurl the term at a TIM gave me a deep sense of HAAAAA towards that TIM.

Something about getting older has freed me to stand up for myself more often. The older you get, the fewer shits you have to give, and you're more likely to take up a little more space, have more confidence to use your voice, and feel more capable of saying what you need to say. The "Karen" phenomenon seems to be aimed at shoving older women back into their little boxes of compliance and meekness. If you can silence an older woman with a single, sneering hint of "Karen," then by golly, why not? It's a great tool for keeping women of all ages in line! Wouldn't want to be a Karen, now, would you? Especially when there's a chance of ending up as a viral gif or meme ...

Well seeing as they’re not actually women… I’m going to start calling them “Darrens” instead.

TIMs would become "euphoric" from getting called a Karen, so it's best not to use the term at all.

[–] [Deleted] 🌸 Ad meliora 🦕 14 points

This is actually quite a good point. I have never seen a TIM called Karen now that I think about it. And a lot of them would fit the "Karen label".

This gave me something to think about. It is fascinating.

I bet dollars to donuts they do it to themselves for sexual reasons or for kicks. “I’m being such a Karen right now teehee.”

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