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[–] Riothamus scrote 45 points

White kids also adopt these microlabels because the media has spent a decade telling them that white "cis" heterosexual people (like their parents) cause all the world's problems. Many of them just want to be Not Like Other White People.

[–] LavenderLane 44 points Edited

100% this. I'm Latina and the way I've observed white people talking to me when they're QIA+ it's that we're the in group and those "white people" just suck- again, even if they themselves are white it's as though they're looking at me for the stamp of approval to not be White(TM). I also don't understand the hate against "white cis men" being especially awful. Men as a whole are awful.

White men can be racist and sexist, yeah sure, but minority men aren't magically better. I can't stand a decent amount of Latino men- the machismo culture and the way their mothers coddle them is disgusting. And I've seen plenty of women of every other minority culture online saying similar things about their own men.

This is exactly why I disregard TRAs as being shallow and willfully ignorant. They love buzzwords and icons like Frida Kahlo, but basically ignore the reality most latinas face every single day. They voluntarily ignore machismo for instance. They perceive it as just a translation for misogyny, when it's actually their version of misogyny times eleven, and as you said, and also in my own experience from talking to other women, it's the same in other non-European cultures.

I am actually really thankful that my mom took me and my brother out of South America. Every time I visit I am horrified with the day to day life women have there. Heavily religious societies = super strict norms based on patriarchal gender roles = no sex ed = no abortions = tons of unwanted pregnancies = women suffering in general. I ache for WOC the most, not because of the added oppression they suffer in predominantly white countries, but because they have it much worse at their own homes. My mom misses the place she has roots in, but she happily trades it for a peaceful life.

[–] LOriginedumonde 12 points Edited

I also don't understand the hate against "white cis men" being especially awful. Men as a whole are awful.

Men as a whole are awful; however, in west we are just beginning to confront the colonialist and imperialist history of “white cis men” in which the contemporary class of white “cis” and trans identified men still reap the benefits of the centuries of oppression imposed on others. A class of people cannot hoard power and wealth while oppressing others for centuries and not expect people to lash out once they’ve gained the footing to do so. People are still figuring out the right way to go about it because this is all new as it has never happened before in our history and there are very high and raw emotions which I believe are quite justified.

*Edited for clarity as I originally wrote this shortly after waking up.

But how is lashing out at random white men the solution? I agree with LavenderLane (Latina here too). Putting minority men on some pedestal because they were oppressed once upon a time is problematic. They're just as f*ked as any man and SHOULD be held accountable.

[–] ouvalemonde GIRLBO$$ 4 points

I can't stand a decent amount of Latino men- the machismo culture and the way their mothers coddle them is disgusting. And I've seen plenty of women of every other minority culture online saying similar things about their own men.

Yup, I once dated a Latina who said that she was so glad that she didn't have any brothers because she can't fucking stand Latino men (for the same reasons you mentioned)

Caused the world's problems and are BORING. OTOH, I can get behind a girl or young woman telling some pushy creep she's asexual so he'll leave her the fuck alone

I never get the whole ‘you can have sex with people who you aren’t attracted to’, I mean you could but why would you?

[–] boogerita 4 points Edited

I think that goes along with “reclaiming” sexual promiscuity.