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And that is why I miss the 90s like an idiot. No, I don't think it was a perfect time, but I do miss loose-fitting clothes being mainstream.

[โ€“] [Deleted] ๐ŸŒธ Ad meliora ๐Ÿฆ• 14 points

Agreed. So many cool women rockstars and bands and actresses. And all fully clothed!

I really wish i could give some of the 90's to all young women who missed it.

I really wish i could give some of the 90's to all young women who missed it.

You put it so well!

I totally miss the days when a female pop star could get away with this. Sexualization still existed back then. But the grunge fad gave women slightly more freedom to cover up and wear comfy clothes and still be considered stylish and sexy.

Now its all like, "I WEAR THIS THONG SOAKED IN GLITTER BECAUSE IT EMPOWERS ME!!!" ๐Ÿคฎ

slightly more freedom to cover up and wear comfy clothes and still be considered stylish and sexy.

This is the problem. Why is it important to be considered "stylish and sexy"? ("stylish and sexy" to guess who. Yeah, them.) As long as it is of any importance to be considered "stylish and sexy" by them, they can manipulate you any way they want by changing their standards of what is "stylish and sexy", tightening or loosening said standards at their whim. "Stylish and "sexy" needs to be unceremoniously dumped. And no, that doesn't mean that you should therefore go "frumpy and unsexy" if you're still judging "frumpy and unsexy" by their standards.

This is the problem. Why is it important to be considered "stylish and sexy"?

I agree on that. However, performers in an image based industry still have to be stylish in order to maintain their careers. I'm just pointing out that it was slightly better for female performers when the spectrum of what was considered stylish/sexy was broader and included clothing that was actually practical and comfortable

Music and fashion have an extremely intimate relationship. The clothing in music videos often shapes fashion trends.

Just think back to your youth. Your clothing style was directly associated with what music you listened to. The Emo fashion kids listened to Emo, the kid with the rasta hat has every Bob Marley album, the kids dressed head to toe in Hollister only listened to Top 40, etc.

Edit: your clothing choices, whether people like it or not, actually reflect a lot about your personality.

I mean, every person I've met who didn't care about fashion also typically didn't have strong feelings about any one genre of music, musicians, bands, etc. They typically listened to a little bit of everything, which is reflected in their lack of caring about fashion.

I think if more women here accepted that it would be easier to understand why the kids today take this gender stuff so seriously. To them clothes ARE a direct part of your personality.

This is the problem. Why is it important to be considered "stylish and sexy"?

It's not so much that it's important to be seen as cool, but it's cool that we did like people who weren't dressing in sparkly bras and whatever. No one was trying to be "stylish and sexy", but they had a following, there was a generation who gravitated toward the type of performer whose style was "grunge" or "post punk" or whatever it was, and that made them stylish and sexy for us. At the time, though, they were originally considered "alternative" which was specifically the point - they were different from the mainstream pop stars who did still wear the sparkly underwear and lipstick type of outfits, like Madonna... so in the late 80s there was an undercurrent of music reacting against that that then went mainstream in the 90s when all the "alternative" kids started their own bands and went big time for a minute.

Could happen again. I have basically no idea how music works these days though, there's so many channels going at a time it's hard to really keep track of a "mainstream" to react against. There's plenty of niche artists doing things, but harder to build an "alternative culture"

Thanks for the explanation. As a child of the 60s-70s I wasn't fully aware of that 90s dynamic, but I do remember sensing that it was a somewhat happy time.

I think the shift is from "charismatic and compelling" to an expectation of "stylish and sexy" for women in music. And compelling can include being attractive, sexy, funny, interesting...

"I WEAR THIS THONG SOAKED IN GLITTER BECAUSE IT EMPOWERS ME!!!" is the best line ever and sums it up perfectly. I may need to borrow it.

The 90s were a great decade for Women's music. Did any of you go to Lilith Fair?

Yup, my older sister took me when I was in high school. Jewel, Sheryl Crowe, Indigo Girls. We had tickets on the lawn and it absolutely poured rain, but we had a great time. :)

YES! Went to Lilith Fair and I spent a solid decade only listening to women with guitars. Mostly lesbians. Still in heavy rotation but my listening has become more co-ed.

I moved. And someone jimmied the front door of the U-Haul Truck. That was where the movers had put a couple of boxes of CDs. I lost Chris Williams, Teresa Trull, KD Lang, Melissa Ethridge, Indigo Girls, Ks Choice, Ani DiFranco, France, Tori Amos, Tracey Chapman etc.

I've been able to replace some of them, but not the oldest.

That was the period of me going to MichFest.

Sometimes I want to scream looking at modern female popstars. Saw someone share Lady Gaga's famous Paparazzi performance which was very cool except for the fact she was literally just in a bra and underwear? Completely ruined the message. The hell. I swear I wish these really big name women would just say no to the studios/directors compelling them to do this. (I know life is more complicated but someone has to buck up and say no.)

It's gotten way worse since then too. I pull up a recent hip hop music video and the women are literally in thongs, touching each other. It's softcore porn and all I can think of is how most of the people watching pop music videos like these are underage girls. I wouldn't want to be a girl either with this nonsense. And I thought it was bad when I was young.

Yeah. The girls that donโ€™t trans are experiencing unprecedented mental health crises. Itโ€™s so sad. Iโ€™m never having kids. It seems cruel.

For real. Could never have a boy because he will just be a pornsick loser who pushes misogyny.

I could definitely have a girl but it'd still be awful watching her deal with this. At least I wouldn't have to love my oppressor though.

The pendulum will swing back. It always does. The camwhore look will get old the way everything else does.

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Idk Mitski dresses like this and she's a pretty big deal. Another artist that comes to mind is Deb Never. She's pretty tomboyish

My doppelgรคnger! :')

me too! a friend at school used to call me Alanis!

Ha, that's great! I was constantly told I looked like her in high school, as well.

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