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Women are the most likely to experience PTSD. Just want to point that out, because it's always attributed to men, specifically men in the army.

And there’s zero help or understanding of women suffering it. Or anyone suffering it from csa.

[–] Firstdayinhell 33 points Edited

I don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, there are a lot of fakers on the internet and also a lot of people who genuinely think they have whatever disorder they claim, while really they have only taken one random quiz or seen a relatable post about the disorder on social media.

On the other hand though there is also a kind of nasty way people with actual disorders are treated on the internet. Particularly women are often accused of faking for attention, no matter how much evidence they provide. I have even seen a woman with an amputated leg be accused of faking for attention even though she regularly had her stump visible in videos and there was no indication for faking. I have often seen self diagnosed men being taken more seriously than medically diagnosed women.

And what does he mean with people in the first world can't experience PTSD. You can get that in first world countries, for example after being raped, after a car crash, after working in Healthcare and seeing horrifying injuries, from child abuse, domestic violence. There are so many potential reasons, not just war

And what does he mean with people in the first world can't experience PTSD. You can get that in first world countries, for example after being raped, after a car crash, after working in Healthcare and seeing horrifying injuries, from child abuse, domestic violence. There are so many potential reasons, not just war

My thoughts exactly.

And yes, of course, the "Oh my God, I got a mean tweet" people are ridiculous. But at the same time the comment in the OP also kind of reeks of conservative military glorification (as in "only those who are/were in the military can EVER experience this").

Yes and in addition to this, when people online keep saying they have this or that fashionable condition it's hard not to leap on the bandwagon. "I too am a sensitive soul! Perhaps I too have the autism! I flick through Instagram. Perhaps I too have the adult ADHD! Something yuck happened to me and sometimes I feel bad about it. I too must have ptsd!"

It's even worse when you HAVE been in a traumatic situation and people keep telling you that you would have PTSD from it when actually you coped fine and are doing OK. Most people experience certain symptoms after trauma. Most people find those symptoms subside after a month, six weeks. It's only when you're still having the nightmares etc after a couple of months that it starts getting called ptsd.

I've seen friends display post traumatic symptoms after leaving a bad job, and my dad after his divorce. It didn't develop into a disorder, though. They moved on. I know people who experienced SA and are not traumatised. From what I see, what makes a huge difference is the aftermath. People with good support systems seem to cope better with trauma.

I have complex PTSD, now very under control, and felt like an impostor because I didn't have this one huge traumatic event, but have it from growing up in an extremely stressful environment, and people think it's "drama" to say I have PTSD. I had to deal with panic attacks in public quietly to avoid being told that I needed to grow up.

I'm suspicious of people who keep bringing it up at any chance, but generally give the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, that is so bothersome. I myself have autism and find it frustrating when I see people on the internet diagnose themselves based on nonsense. Like that one person who always wanted their building blocks to be symmetrical as a kid so they "obviously" have autism and it's "shocking" no one realized it. Autism is only diagnosed if it has significant negative impact on a person's life. Not because they want their building blocks a specific way

And yeah, not everyone who experiences trauma gets PTSD. Whether it develops has a lot to do with how the trauma is treated, how well the person is supported and how well they can process it. With proper support, there is a really good chance of not developing it after a traumatic event. Some people seem to treat it like it's a 100% guaranteed outcome of trauma.

I've been raped, beaten up, seen people die, had my own daughter die. I've had an extremely traumatic life, and I don't have PTSD. I have a friend who has PTSD from one bad event (it was pretty bad). We're all different. It doesn't mean I'm stronger or suffered more/less - my trauma resulted in big anger issues in me, while other people it manifests in depression. Comparing or gatekeeping is pointless.

[–] BJ581 4 points Edited

I feel this way about my anxiety. When I tell people “I have an anxiety disorder” and I get like “omg, I totally get that, I’m so nervous when I go somewhere crowded or have to speak in front of people!” I’m not trying to downplay that experience, but that’s perfectly normal. When I say “I have an anxiety disorder” I mean, there are basic everyday tasks I am incapable of doing, I mean that there are days I cannot leave my house, there have been an embarrassing number of occasions I have found myself in an emergency room convinced I was having a heart attack. I do not mean that I feel a little nervous when I have to talk to a room full of people, I’m talking about a disorder that has crippled my ability to do my job effectively and live my life effectively. I have gotten stuck in hotels incapable of moving or speaking, I’ve been unable to do things I really wanted to do because I cannot manage my anxiety in any way.

The problem with people saying “oh yeah, I hate crowds so I have an anxiety disorder” is not that it doesn’t matter that they’re anxious, it’s that I now have no effective way to communicate what is going on with me. Now when I say those words, people assume it’s just an uncomfortable thing I can push through and get on with. It’s not, we’re not talking about the same thing.

Having quirks and peeves, being anxious, being traumatized over something, those are normal human reactions. It’s when you fail to overcome those things or they have an extreme impact on your life that they become disordered or outside the norm. A lot of people fail to understand this distinction and when they do that they take away the ability for those of us with these real issues to explain what’s happening to us in a way that people will understand.

Particularly women are often accused of faking for attention, no matter how much evidence they provide. I have even seen a woman with an amputated leg be accused of faking for attention even though she regularly had her stump visible in videos and there was no implication for faking. I have often seen self diagnosed men being taken more seriously than medically diagnosed women.

I think this is an entirely different issue to what this person is talking about. This isn't stolen suffering. This is women's actual suffering being diminished or dismissed entirely by males, which is a serious systematic issue in the field of women's healthcare in general.

And what does he mean with people in the first world can't experience PTDS. You can get that in first world countries, for example after being raped, after a car crash, after working in Healthcare and seeing horrifying injuries, from child abuse, domestic violence. There are so many potential reasons, not just war

I agree. But if you read it, this person is talking specifically about SJWs who get a “mean tweet” and then try to self-diagnose as having PTSD because of it, like this braindead TRA Laurie Penny.

And the males who try their hand at impersonating women. It reeks of privilege and self obsessed narcissism. I thought the comparison was quite apt.

It's when people use it as an excuse that there's a problem. I'm treating people like shit because of my self-diagnosed borderline personality, it's not my fault if I hurt you, etc

I hate that so much. If you do something shitty because of a legitimate condition (and not something you made up to be quirky and relatable on the Internet) you’re still responsible for it. I was diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder at 16 and sometimes if I’m super anxious, I get angry and lash out. I’m still responsible for the fact that I was an asshole to someone. I still have to apologize to whoever I was mean to.

It's a good comparison yeah. And it often correlates. So many of the actual fakers have all kinds of wild pronouns in their bios or a trans flag in the background. They just really like seeing themselves as a marginalized group I guess.

Also wow. PTSD over bad book reviews. Wtf. I realize that different people can experience different things as traumatic but that's just ridiculous and wrong.

[–] Ibbie 30 points Edited

I had PTSD for a long time after an abusive relationship (including things I can't write about here) and didn’t know I had it because I thought only soldiers developed it.

It's true that some people trivialize PTSD and trauma now, along with many other disorders.

There are studies showing no significant difference between military and civilian PTSD. An exception might be something like compounding traumatic brain injury from combat.

I also developed PTSD from what a man did to me. My therapist was a trauma specialist and she also worked with soldiers before.

I think in the brain it looks very similar and there are the typical tell tale signs and then some triggers are individual (based on the trauma experience) and responses to triggers are also depending on the person. For example violence as a ptsd response I only ever hear about when it's soldiers (but also might be a men thing?!), but alcoholism (or other substance abuse) is very widespread generally.

[–] SecondSkin 8 points Edited

I think if it’s ptsd from childhood sexual abuse, or other abuse, it would be worse than ptsd from combat. Children’s brains aren’t developed. They aren’t assessed prior to signing up to ensure good mental stability and resilience, to ensure no under lying risk for mh problems or similar (I appreciate this isn’t fool proof). No matter how extreme adult abuse/trauma is they have fully developed brains (or mostly developed for those who sign up young) and access to more support and understanding than victims of csa receive (although I appreciate it’s still not enough).

Sorry, I know this sounds a bit oppression olympics, but I just can’t see how anyone doesn’t grasp that children growing up in extremely abusive home, or living in an actual war zone, while their brains are only just developing, will have greater long term consequences than any adult going through any trauma. As a group, and as a society. Children are always the most vulnerable group.

I appreciate you saying all this. It drives me crazy that people always picture a combat vet when talking about PTSD. In reality, IIRC, the majority of people with PTSD are women, and typically it developed from sexual abuse.

But instead of compassion, women with PTSD get tons of mean spirited jokes about having "daddy issues" and being "crazy".

Some consider developmental and protracted relational trauma to be complex PTSD (C-PTSD). I'm not sure I understand all the differences, just because I haven't fully investigated them. I agree children are especially vulnerable. Women who are abused often have children who are suffering from the very same abusers, too, and one of the most horrible things abusive men do to mothers is prevent them from protecting their children. When that happens, the mothers are often silenced until it's too late.

PTSD can be caused by any traumatic event its not a competition, I had it because of a house fire, kept thinking the roof was alight, and I got just good old regular trauma from my ex.

Stolen Suffering describes ‘transgenderism’/‘transsexualism’ in a nutshell.

Reminds me of the time that ridiculous airhead TRA Laurie Penny said she self-ID’d as having Complex PTSD because of bad book reviews.

They're all fucking shameless impersonators. “...Munchausen by Internet. A group of self obsessed narcissists all competing for the most attention ... SJWs aren't interested in relating to the people they impersonate. They don't want to understand their suffering, they are simply pretending to experience what they do for a perceived reward. ... They want to reap without having sown.”

Yeah exactly. It's white men who are pissed off they're not the centre of attention anymore who have convinced themselves that severe porn addiction and the self inflicted pain resulting from this, is the same as the oppression that women face. And with pain, i mean a very first world privileged version of "pain" cause basically they have a big sad because they can never be a slutty woman and have sexy lesbians line up to fuck them. Which is not a thing that happens in the real world, to women or men.

That's why AGPs are the worst of the worst filth. They are the only transes that have NEVER experienced oppression, unlike the female and gay transes. And it shows!! They genuinely think that them not having sexy lesbian sex slaves is as bad as a single mother not having access to abortion and health care. They really do, that's how delusional and narcissistic they are.

The conversation here is an interesting reflection of the larger problem of the internet overall in a way.. Both sides are real issues: not being believed, and faking it (or co-opting it). But online we're interacting in a way that makes it especially hard to have insight into who you're dealing with, so there's a lot of projecting and judging going on, and putting people into groups based on broad statements or attributes they've established. Then we end up deciding not to believe those people because they showed themselves to have other traits we didn't like, or to trust these ones because we already agree with them about other unrelated things - but in reality, none of it is a very good way to determine whether they are being accurate about whatever the thing at hand is. It becomes a, "bad guys vs good guys" scenario. It's hard to understand individual human beings as complex creatures when everyone's abstract.

Which is just to say, I don't know that we can determine who is undergoing serious mental trauma and who is feeling sorry for themselves based on whether we agree with them politically. And although psychiatrists were meant to be able to diagnose these things, these days they unfortunately mostly let patients self-diagnose so that they can sell pills. Perhaps it's not a judgment that can be fairly reached anyway - who can truly understand the pain of another? It seems like the best thing we could do is build more parks and community centers and help people get offline, really...