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All of my research has not pointed to any one cause, and that's confusing. it's not making sense to me and it feels like it can't be real that men today have 50% less testosterone than men two or three generations ago. Is this an overblown problem? I really don't see how this is possible. If it was an environmental cause wouldn't we be seeing hormonal disturbances in women's bodies too? I have not heard anything about that, but given how little interest medicine takes in women's bodies, it wouldn't be surprising if no one's done any research.

So far I've seen people blame soy, feminism, birth control pills in the water, and some combination of that. But no concrete explanation and no solution. Anybody have any idea what's really going on?

All of my research has not pointed to any one cause, and that's confusing. it's not making sense to me and it feels like it can't be real that men today have 50% less testosterone than men two or three generations ago. Is this an overblown problem? I really don't see how this is possible. If it was an environmental cause wouldn't we be seeing hormonal disturbances in women's bodies too? I have not heard anything about that, but given how little interest medicine takes in women's bodies, it wouldn't be surprising if no one's done any research. So far I've seen people blame soy, feminism, birth control pills in the water, and some combination of that. But no concrete explanation and no solution. Anybody have any idea what's really going on?

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[–] BlackCirce [speaking as mod] 12 points Edited - sticky

OP what research are you referring to? I’m locking this post because it’s breeding pseudoscientific claims, if you want to discuss this without using actual scientific sources take it to o/Women

Higher obesity and less excercise, fat is estrogen producing and Americans are at this point like 42% obesity, at an exponentially increasing rate. It's important to take care of your physique because it effects your hormone production and consequently happiness + sex quality + stress tolerance.

Stressed men also have lower testosterone which could actually be due to social factors. (Stress is increasing I think due to recorded rates of deppression, anxiety, addiction, suicide, physical injury) in males and females

FWIW, men were designed to be the worker bees. And two or 3 generations ago, virtually all of them worked. Hard. They farmed, went to war, learned a trade, built their own homes, built other people's homes, hell theyd even build their own cars. Then came technology. How many "men" do you know these days that are 30yo basement dwelling losers who have zero skills other than streaming their shitty gaming session to their 200 followers? How many are too lazy or entitled to learn a trade or even join the military? I'd love to see data that correlates T levels to occupation.

[–] Radical_Phoenix 35 points Edited

PCOS in 10% of the female population, endometriosis, increase in miscarriage rates, an increase in autoimmune disease. I think there are a lot of issues going on for women that might be environmental.

Yes but you'd think it would be to the same extent, I haven't heard any studies indicating that women's estrogen levels are that different across the board from their mothers. I've known about all the problems that environmental pollution is causing to women's hormones but not at all like this

There’s a looming infertility crisis, that seems like a pretty big deal. My family line ends at me and my brother because of infertility. What are the chances of that?

Endocrine disrupting chemicals in nearly everything?

So far I've seen people blame soy, feminism, birth control pills in the water, and some combination of that.

Wait a minute. People believe that feminism has the power to change men's hormones??

Was about to say all the plastics everywhere, in our food, on our food around our food, cash register receipts when we buy food, conveying food into our mouths, all the products we put on and in our body encapsulated in plastics. Oh, but this one is BPA free! Yes, because it uses BPS instead...

I believe the latest is that endocrine disruption is the big suspect, and I find that terrifying, especially to what it might be doing to babies while in the womb.

Yes, in a study I read long ago, when alpha male monkeys (or chimps or bonobos, I forget) were put into an environment in which they were no longer alpha, their testosterone levels dropped. If feminism is partly causing a drop in men's T levels, that's a plus for feminism.

I don't get why lower testosterone levels should be a positive?

Wow, you haven't read a lot, have you? T builds muscles, causing greater male than female strength, fuels male rage and aggression, dominance, etc. Women need it about as much as they need to be hit by a truck.The stuff is poison.

I pray to a goddess to reduce men’s T levels every night. Looks like it paid off. If that isn’t feminism, idk what is

Just winging’ it here, but a few things have changed drastically in the last 50 years:

• Plastic ubiquity in food packaging and containers (including heating/reheating food in plastic by microwave oven).

• Soy (an estrogen-mimicker (I can’t recall the proper term)) filler in lots of processed food (esp. fast food meats).

• Drugs, including BC, in wastewater that is cycled back into potable water.

• overall huge cultural shifts from active to sedentary and a huge increase in sugar consumption leading to a massive increase in metabolic syndrome and diabetes.

Remember the meme "they're putting fluoride in the water to turn the frogs gay?" The truth in that is that amphibian sex ratios are all screwed up due to endocrine disruptors, with an increased incidence of hermaphroditic / disordered development. Endocrine-disrupting pesticides impair frog reproduction

[–] QueenSnake 20 points Edited

There are two things we know, many microplastics mimic estrogen in the body, and microplastics are everywhere.

I also think in the US at least all the hormones and fake shit they pump into the food isn’t helping either. I thought that was 100% the source of things like this until I saw the studies that link microplastics and estrogen.

We’re fucked.

There are two things we know, many microplastics mimic estrogen in the body, and microplastics are everywhere.

such a large issue, people are ignoring it

Is it all over the world? Is it happening in countries that don’t have an obesity problem? (Japan, S.Korea?)

It’s probably part of the spread of chronic health issues like insulin resistance and inflammation etc, all related to obesity and being sedentary but not fully explained by those. People are just much less healthy than they used to be.

Japan has a major fertility crisis. Theories for why include the culture of workaholism and porn/anime.

That's women choosing not to have children because it's a shit deal for them (and in S. Korea the same applies.) It's culture and economics that are the determining factors there, not biology.

Assuming the genetic potential of males & females has remained the same; you have to look at the environment, diet & lifestyle. All would have an effect.

Agree with others about endocrine-disrupting chemicals + Many Others. I work in environmental & landscape science and it is seriously underreported how much exposure to damaging man-made chemicals is now inescapable for any human (or living being for that matter). Because there is such a wide variety of these chemicals already out there it would be prohibitively expensive (plus no one gives a shit) now to parse out a lot of the cause & effects, which one have synergies or change others' modes of action, etc

These chemical compounds are like any other tech - invented, rushed through commercialization, and released into the world for $$. Bugger the consequences, that is someone else's problem.

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