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All of my research has not pointed to any one cause, and that's confusing. it's not making sense to me and it feels like it can't be real that men today have 50% less testosterone than men two or three generations ago. Is this an overblown problem? I really don't see how this is possible. If it was an environmental cause wouldn't we be seeing hormonal disturbances in women's bodies too? I have not heard anything about that, but given how little interest medicine takes in women's bodies, it wouldn't be surprising if no one's done any research.

So far I've seen people blame soy, feminism, birth control pills in the water, and some combination of that. But no concrete explanation and no solution. Anybody have any idea what's really going on?

All of my research has not pointed to any one cause, and that's confusing. it's not making sense to me and it feels like it can't be real that men today have 50% less testosterone than men two or three generations ago. Is this an overblown problem? I really don't see how this is possible. If it was an environmental cause wouldn't we be seeing hormonal disturbances in women's bodies too? I have not heard anything about that, but given how little interest medicine takes in women's bodies, it wouldn't be surprising if no one's done any research. So far I've seen people blame soy, feminism, birth control pills in the water, and some combination of that. But no concrete explanation and no solution. Anybody have any idea what's really going on?

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[–] BlackCirce [speaking as mod] 12 points Edited - sticky

OP what research are you referring to? I’m locking this post because it’s breeding pseudoscientific claims, if you want to discuss this without using actual scientific sources take it to o/Women

FWIW, men were designed to be the worker bees. And two or 3 generations ago, virtually all of them worked. Hard. They farmed, went to war, learned a trade, built their own homes, built other people's homes, hell theyd even build their own cars. Then came technology. How many "men" do you know these days that are 30yo basement dwelling losers who have zero skills other than streaming their shitty gaming session to their 200 followers? How many are too lazy or entitled to learn a trade or even join the military? I'd love to see data that correlates T levels to occupation.

Problem? What problem?

PARTY at my house tomorrow!! What great news

I don't know but it kind of scares me. I know there's a lot of people who say a drop in testosterone is good, but I'm frankly worried by it. My friend who went on finasteride said messing with his testosterone like that made him feel really tired etc. Men having healthy hormone levels is different than women taking exogenous T!

Just winging’ it here, but a few things have changed drastically in the last 50 years:

• Plastic ubiquity in food packaging and containers (including heating/reheating food in plastic by microwave oven).

• Soy (an estrogen-mimicker (I can’t recall the proper term)) filler in lots of processed food (esp. fast food meats).

• Drugs, including BC, in wastewater that is cycled back into potable water.

• overall huge cultural shifts from active to sedentary and a huge increase in sugar consumption leading to a massive increase in metabolic syndrome and diabetes.

Remember the meme "they're putting fluoride in the water to turn the frogs gay?" The truth in that is that amphibian sex ratios are all screwed up due to endocrine disruptors, with an increased incidence of hermaphroditic / disordered development. Endocrine-disrupting pesticides impair frog reproduction

Soy causes endocrine disorders, obesity, chronic pain, etc and it's in nearly every processed American food from ketchup to frozen french fries to salad dressing to meatballs to cereal etc

I don't buy this. People in Asia have been eating soy for centuries and they're just fine. This is IMO slanders against soy propagated by meat lobbyists to combat loss of market share to a rising number of people choosing to eat vegetarian diets in the 2000s.

Soy is an estrogen mimic, as is Cat's Claw, St. John's Wart, etc. The human body cannot differentiate between them. Believe whatever you want to believe. The fact remains: soy causes endocrine disorders, including endocrine cancers. The obesity epidemic in America directly coincides with the US Gov paying farmers to grow/harvest soy and nearly all American processed foods becoming infused with it. Believe whatever is convenient to you, whatever you need to get you through the day, men are women, estrogen isn't a hormone, whatever.

Asians traditionally consumed fermented soy, not anything-goes soy.

Soybean or palm oil i thinkis what op meant which fucks up endocerine stuff esp when heated as it oxidises very easily. But soy itself i think is fine

Any oil that requires massive amounts of heat/pressure/chemicals to extract is not meant to be consumed by humans. Butter, EVOO, and lard are all vastly healthier than margarine, seed oils, and the shit that was marketed as healthy a couple of decades ago.

Assuming the genetic potential of males & females has remained the same; you have to look at the environment, diet & lifestyle. All would have an effect.

Agree with others about endocrine-disrupting chemicals + Many Others. I work in environmental & landscape science and it is seriously underreported how much exposure to damaging man-made chemicals is now inescapable for any human (or living being for that matter). Because there is such a wide variety of these chemicals already out there it would be prohibitively expensive (plus no one gives a shit) now to parse out a lot of the cause & effects, which one have synergies or change others' modes of action, etc

These chemical compounds are like any other tech - invented, rushed through commercialization, and released into the world for $$. Bugger the consequences, that is someone else's problem.

[–] QueenSnake 20 points Edited

There are two things we know, many microplastics mimic estrogen in the body, and microplastics are everywhere.

I also think in the US at least all the hormones and fake shit they pump into the food isn’t helping either. I thought that was 100% the source of things like this until I saw the studies that link microplastics and estrogen.

We’re fucked.

There are two things we know, many microplastics mimic estrogen in the body, and microplastics are everywhere.

such a large issue, people are ignoring it

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