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The way people don't understand the complex intertwined functions of the human body and assume each organ has one singular function is stressful.

I cringe when I see women "durrr I don't want kids so just rip my uterus out 🤪" you really don't think there are more repercussions beyond that?

[–] mrsmeyers 34 points Edited

I was guilty of this. Never wanted to yeet my uterus but got angry on behalf of other women who were told by their doctors that they couldn't get a hysterectomy as a form of birth control. Now I can see not only that I was wrong, but I was vastly underestimating the importance of the uterus in the female body. It is not feminist to think that the female body is not complex, understudied, intricately balanced and misunderstood, and unacceptably undervalued. We are not men with extra parts.

True. It can be a weird thing to come to terms with that sometimes people can be right for the wrong reasons.

I'm pretty sure most doctors refuse unnecessary hysterectomies because they realize that such surgeries are not mild. Most doctors refuse for the right reasons

This current crop of young TIFs are so fucked.....😥

And no one will care, because not only are they female, but they are often autistic. So who cares if they sterilize themselves and shorten their lifespan?

Yep. And a lot of them probably would have become lesbians if their sexual function hadn't been neutered before it even had a chance to develop.

The fact that this fad disproportionately hurts marginilized females is a feature, not a bug

I seriously just had a mob of morons tell me to stop being judgmental of other womens choices on reddit because I said that hysterectomies carry a risk of long term health impacts (dementia,cardiovascular), but noooo, nooo the woke dumbasses are all RA RA fight the power, fight unwanted pregnancies, take out your uterus, MY DOCTOR KNOWS MORE THAN YOU DO.

I was basically forced by adenomyosis to have my uterus removed in may and I'm completely sad and a little scared about what that means for me. It was either a hysterectomy or inevitable suicide though, I had exhausted all other options. I have a pretty good understanding of medical terminology and the impacts of things on my body due to a background in health care and my own extensive struggles with endo/adeno, but they just mobbed me with their ignorant wokeism. I'm about as far left as a person can get on the spectrum and I can't relate to these fucked up people anymore, they don't even make sense.

I'd believe this article. I personally only have one ovary so I wonder what that means? lol.

[–] DonnaFemina 3 points Edited

"RA RA fight the power, fight unwanted pregnancies, take out your uterus"

That is so fucking stupid. Do they not realize that you can "fight unwanted pregnancy" by getting your tubes tied, a relatively simple outpatient procedure?

Or better yet, get a slightly different outpatient procedure where they actually remove your fallopian tubes (google "salpingectomy"). That prevents pregnancy AND drastically lowers your risk of ever developing ovarian cancer:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3671016/

I tried to say this and they said it comes with its own risks, well duh,any procedure comes with its own risks, but it probably has much more minor long term health implications. You can't tell these kids anything, they just won't listen. I've seen what a vagina prolapse looks like and it ain't pretty.

Or like, get an IUD, the shot, the patch, take BC, don't have sex?? So many other options available. It kills me to hear about young women removing perfectly good organs for basically no reason.

It's sad that they're going to learn this the hard way. At least we tried to warn them.

an elderly family member of mine had a hysterectomy for a health issue, and she had a vaginal prolapse. hysterectomies aren't to be taken lightly.

MY DOCTOR KNOWS MORE THAN YOU DO.

And they think they know more than the doctor.

I fight this fight too. I have premature ovarian failure and the health consequences if you decide not to treat can be pretty drastic (although not dementia). I totally understand when it’s your only option, but I think if there was a disease for only men where they only treatment was to cut off your penis or prostate then they’d have a lot of funding. Endo and adeno are no joke ❤️

It’s almost like we’re animals and not just sentient brains uploaded into robots. But that sounds inconvenient for some

Fascinating! There have already been shown to be casual links between dementia and hysterectomies in women. This definitely lines up. Wow. All those young TiFs are just destroying themselves :(

And this is why I'm holding firm against a hysterectomy for my own health. Women with endo, adenomyosis, fibroids, etc. need and deserve more and better treatment options.

They can have my uterus when they pry it from my cold, dead body.

Same. I'm appalled at the number of women opting for a hysterectomy.

Well it's being reframed as eMpoWerIng

[–] Peppermint 1 points Edited

Is it really? Thats nuts. For the past 3 years I tried to get through to other women on the endo reddit. All anyone wants to do is be rid of their uterus over there, even when they are reminded that they'll mostly likely still be in pain a couple of years after. I can't help but wonder how related the treatment is to the medical funded trans movement in general.

Have you reached out to the HERS Foundation? They're all about avoiding hysterectomy wherever possible, and finding viable medical alternatives:

https://hersfoundation.org/

This is what's wrong with the western medical system in a nutshell. No sense of the each part of our body is connected to the whole in ways we are only starting to understand. The hubris to believe that we can outsmart billions of years of evolution.

[–] Luske 10 points Edited

Do I understand it correctly that when only the uterus was removed the memory was affected. But when both the ovaries and the uterus were removed there was no effect on the memory?

Depends on the trial. This is the original paper. It looks like their conclusion was essentially that the hysterectomy-only group suffered imapired working memory (and ovary removal alleviated this effect) but groups with ovaries removed suffered a memory retention impairment (in the "delay" trials).

On day 13 of WRAM testing, a 6-hour delay was given between trials 2 and 3 to test delayed memory retention. Each treatment group’s performance was assessed separately using a repeated measures ANOVA to evaluate group performance on trial 3 of the last day of baseline testing (day 12) compared with trial 3 following the 6-hour delay on day 13. Sham-treated rats did not show impaired performance between baseline and delay testing, suggesting that there was not a delay-induced impairment (Fig. 8A). There was a main effect of delay day for WMC errors on trial 3 for Ovx rats [F(1,13) = 7.00, P < 0.05, ηG2 = 0.35](Fig. 8B). For hysterectomy-treated rats, there was a marginal main effect of delay day for WMC errors on trial 3 [F(1,13) = 3.96, P = 0.07, ηG2 = 0.23], such that WMC errors somewhat increased as a result of a 6-hour memory retention delay (Fig. 8C). There was also a main effect of delay day for WMC errors on trial 3 for Ovx-hysterectomy rats [F(1,14) = 47.25, P < 0.0001, ηG2 = 0.77](Fig. 8D). Thus, both groups without ovaries showed significantly impaired delayed memory retention following a delay in WRAM trials, an effect our laboratory has previously reported (75, 76).

Very curious interactions indeed...!

I'm afraid I'm not a very sciency person :( I find it very interesting, but I have a hard time understanding what you quoted/copied. That's why I usually read articles and such where the science has been "translated" :/ I'm not sure I understand what "memory retention impairment" means either? If you could break it down for me, I'd be very grateful, but don't feel obligated to :)

[–] niffin 0 points Edited

About your question, science "translation" is super important! I have a PhD in biology, but science is so broad and deep that even "sciency" people can't be sufficiently expert in every field to just inhale any journal paper in a single pass. To read this one, I was looking up various terms along the way (what is WRAM? oh it's their water maze thing, etc). I really like Kurzgesagt's video explaining why they think science communication is valuable. Reading science "in translation" is important for scientists too =)

Anyway, I'll try to explain as best as I understand (I'm not super familiar with these trials). The trial involved in this "delay" case is a "radial arm maze" (like this), but filled with water so the rats have to swim to find a platform (like this) -- so instead of finding food, they get to stop swimming. Like in the first YouTube video, 4 of the arms have platforms, and 4 do not, and the rats do 4 trials per day. Each time the rat finds a platform, they get to sit on it for a bit to remember where it was, then the experimenter picks up the rat and the platform (so they can only use each platform once), puts the rat back in a warm cage for 30 seconds, then puts them back in the maze. As the rats keep doing this task over the course of a couple weeks, they learn the rules and stop making as many mistakes (going down the arms that never had a platform or had a platform that they saw get removed). Before the start of testing each day, they put all the platforms back where they were the previous day (so they're testing both the rat's ability to remember (longer-term) the maze from the previous days, and also (shorter-term) the platforms that have been used+removed that same day). The rats with only their uteri removed do significantly worse at repeatedly going down the arms that never had a platform (longer-term memory failure) -- the curious finding that OP pointed out here. The delay task that I quoted in my message above is an extra twist that they throw in after doing the same trials for 12 days, where instead of the usual 30-second rest time between maze runs, the rats sit in their cage for 6 hours before the last run of the day. With that added delay, all of the rats make more short-term mistakes, but the rats that had their ovaries removed (either with or without their uterus) make significantly more mistakes than the others. But this was a finding that the same lab had already discovered (published in this paper) so they don't spend much time on it -- they just observed the same effect and noted that the removal of the uterus doesn't seem to make much difference on this effect.

*edits for missing words.

Don't TIFs usually get rid of their uterus but keep their ovaries?

It's interesting since I remember the last time we discussed the link between hysterectomy and dementia, the studies said the chance was increased if both the ovaries and uterus were removed, and TIFs usually kept their ovaries, or at least one. Now we have a study saying the removal of only the uterus but keeping the ovaries affects memory negatively. I know dementia is a whole different beast from memory loss but it's interesting.

I wouldn't know. I've seen a few posts here and there, but I don't have an overall picture of what they choose the most.

It is interesting! And certainly important to look into. I don't like their choices of removing uterus and/or ovaries for no reason, but if they must do it, at least they should be as informed as possible :/ and it's also important knowledge for women who have to have their uterus/ovaries removed for medical reasons.

I find it odd/intriguing/interesting that remocing the ovaries cancels out the memory effect of removing the uterus (if that's what happens).

You did understand correctly!

Why? This is very curious to me.

They explain this in the article though? I mean, as much as they can, as it needs further research. The TLDR is that a hysterectomy by itself causes a change in hormonal profile.

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Thanks! Just seems so odd I wasn't sure.

I linked to the actual study in a different comment on this thread, they go more in depth in it so maybe that could help clarify things more

How would they know if this applies to any other species than rats?

Further studies. This appears to be a clue though:

“There is some research showing that women who underwent hysterectomy but maintained their ovaries had an increased risk for dementia if the surgery occurred before natural menopause,” Prof. Bimonte-Nelson notes.

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