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There is an old saying: the Internet routes around censorship. Obama learned the hard way when he tried to block piracy sites at Hollywood and Silicon Valley's behest. But the new White House comms director apparently did not get the memo.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11479089/White-House-confirms-monitoring-Elon-Musks-Twitter-takeover.html

Not the Onion (or Babylon Bee). The party that thinks men can get pregnant and women can get prostate cancer, the party that considers mutilation of kids to be "life-affirming care", the party that wants to surveil Elon Musk's computer and business connections but enforce absolute radio silence on Hunter Biden's ... wants to monitor Twitter as a potentially dangerous vector of "misinformation" spread by someone else.

By the way, it's also "misinformation" according to White House standards, that Biden's weirdo nuclear guy who looks like Zippy the Pinhead is a him and not a "them." It's remarkably simple to just block David Duke and Trump's accounts if one does not wish to hear from them. Or to just not have a Twitter account at all. But IMO under no circumstances should this crew of alternative facts be the arbiters of what is and is not truth in the de facto 21st century civilian public square.

There is an old saying: the Internet routes around censorship. Obama learned the hard way when he tried to block piracy sites at Hollywood and Silicon Valley's behest. But the new White House comms director apparently did not get the memo. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11479089/White-House-confirms-monitoring-Elon-Musks-Twitter-takeover.html Not the Onion (or Babylon Bee). The party that thinks men can get pregnant and women can get prostate cancer, the party that considers mutilation of kids to be "life-affirming care", the party that wants to surveil Elon Musk's computer and business connections but enforce absolute radio silence on Hunter Biden's ... wants to monitor Twitter as a potentially dangerous vector of "misinformation" spread by someone else. By the way, it's also "misinformation" according to White House standards, that Biden's weirdo nuclear guy who looks like Zippy the Pinhead is a him and not a "them." It's remarkably simple to just block David Duke and Trump's accounts if one does not wish to hear from them. Or to just not have a Twitter account at all. But IMO under no circumstances should this crew of *alternative facts* be the arbiters of what is and is not truth in the de facto 21st century civilian public square.

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If only they cared this much about the kiddie porn and the doxing that's been rampant and Twitter for YEARS!

Honestly, it should concern everyone that a stupid site like Twitter holds this much power. And that the government is in a tizzy simply because this private company changed ownership. The fate of free speech shouldn't rely on whether or not the current administration likes the guy in charge of the biggest social media outlet

The greatest thing Musk could do for humanity is erase Twitter from existence so it can't be a political football anymore. I know he can't do that after spending so much money to aquire it. But it would be a great humanitarian act

If only they cared this much about the kiddie porn and the doxing that's been rampant and Twitter for YEARS!

Or about Tik Tok, which is literally a malware program from the communist government of China. Nope, not going to do anything about that, because the zoomer vote and because the bad orange man wanted to ban it and he was a racist. There's bipartisan support for shutting that pipeline down, including the FCC commissioner himself. And yet nothing will happen, because the Democratic power structure is too cowed by 22-year-old idiots who would literally commit mass suicide (narrator: they wouldn't) if they lost access to their favorite "influencers" being underwritten by Xe/Xim/Xir Jinping.

Imagine if cybersecurity experts determined Bonzi Buddy as malware (they did), but nothing could be done about it because the people in power let their kids run wild on the computer, and their kids think the monkey is funny -- and they vote.

Also, if TikTok died, a large faction of the trans cult would die with it. Thats not acceptable to the AGPs in power

Twitter was used by antifa brownshirts to dox private citizens and coordinate their in-person harassment campaigns, but now the admin is concerned?

I’m not a pure free speech absolutist. Especially on a platform like Twitter, you need some moderation to make it functional, but I strongly doubt that’s what the authoritarian TWAW left is concerned about.

Agree 100%. The power Twitter seems to have over the government, not to even mention all of us, is really creepy.

What i don't like about the White House statement is their assumption that its in their right to control the website. If they are so concerned about misinformation they would have stopped Russian interference in our elections on facebook reddit and many other websites years ago.

The "Russian interference" details are quite devilish.

According to Facebook’s Colin Stretch, who testified in front of Congress in October 2017, posts generated by suspected Russian accounts showing up in Facebook’s News Feed amounted to “approximately 1 out of 23,000 pieces of content.” Per Oxford’s Computational Propaganda Research Project, the Russians spent an infinitesimal amount of money on these social media memes and ads: $73,711 between 2015 and 2017, with about $46,000 spent on Facebook ads before the 2016 election. For context, that amounts to about 0.05% of the $81 million spent on Facebook ads by the Clinton and Trump campaigns combined.

Hmmm.

More info and some of the actual ads here: https://archive.ph/3AniC

That's just alotta hot air. They'll make all kinds of soothing statements to reassure the butthurt but they won't touch Musk. He's providing the satellites for the Ukraine proxy war. He's a defense contractor. Like Amazon providing Department of Defense cloud servers. Our Tech Overlords and the US Gov are joined at the hip these days. They're not going to bite the hand that feeds in any real way.

Honestly this is the most corrupt and destructive administration this country has ever seen. Joseph Robinette Caligula, Jr.

[–] Peppermint 19 points Edited

I hate Trump because he let millions suffer and die including my mom. And left millions more in horrible grief (people who did not get to say good bye). But I hate Biden too just for different reasons. To say either administration is the "most corrupt" would be wrong at this point. Both have done irreparable damage in different ways. I think we can all agree on that.

[–] JenniferLiam -4 points Edited

Let millions suffer and die? If you're talking about covid, more people died from that under Biden + all over the world ppl died from that, with all types of leaders in charge.

Meanwhile, Trump let COVID into this country and killed more than a million Americans.

I think about what would have happened had he been in office when Ebola came here and I shudder.

Trump bungled COVID big time. But let's not pretend it was just his fault. All the blue states stirred distrust in the medical system by politicizing the virus and implementing ever-changing rules that were only forced on the lower classes. And by telling us that Jews gathering for a funeral was wrong; but BLM protesters flooding the streets wouldn't spread COVID because the disease would make an exception for a noble cause.

And let's not forget Kamala Harris being anti-vax while Trump was president and then changing her tune when Biden won (as if the sitting president would be brewing the vaccines himself LOL)

All the blue states stirred distrust in the medical system by politicizing the virus and implementing ever-changing rules that were only forced on the lower classes.

For me my breaking point was how social distancing was made mandatory for COVID, but not monkeypox (sorry, "M-Pox" because words are literally violence, but letters aren't) or any other, um, social diseases. So don't you dare be in the same room or even zip code with another person, lest you contribute to the modern-day Bubonic Plague, but you can go ahead and have sex -- just "be safe" when doing so!

And it really seems clear to me that the only reason they didn't go all draconian with lockdowns and quarantine for "those most likely to be infected" is because the Democrats and their elite ruling/opinion-shaping class have become the party of "sex-positivity" to the point where viscerally disgusting and, yes, disease-mongering behavior has become a "human right." We're told "abstinence training doesn't work" when it comes to sex education, and thus we have to sign over consent forms agreeing that kindergarteners have to be taught the whole Kama Sutra and every word ever written by the Marquis de Sade, but we also had to isolate ourselves from all human contact outside of a computer monitor for two years for this other disease, or pay the piper. You'll get arrested for breaking curfew to go to the 24-hour drugstore to pick up cough medicine. Or even just to pay a visit to someone who is sick and lonely. Like the elderly who had to see their loved ones behind foggy glass and then died alone with no human touch, not even a hand-hold. Funeral processions at the drive-thru. But if you're heading out to have a one-night stand with some rando you met on Tinder, or a threesome or, heck, an orgy, that's OK because "people have needs" and we don't want to "shame" anyone.

That's what did it for me. The outright hypocrisy of nobody being told they had to lock themselves behind closed doors so as not to spread one particular kind of disease as opposed to COVID. And how you were a bigot, an anti-vaxer/anti-masker, etc. (for the record I'm 3x vaccinated), for pointing out the obvious double standard. Bugchasing is only OK if protected identities do it.

[–] vulvapeople 15 points Edited

Every country let COVID in. There’s no avoiding it in this day and age. And, as tragic as COVID deaths are, I’m glad I don’t live in a country that would weld the door to my home shut and leave me to die in a fire.

Meanwhile, Trump ...

This sort of knee-jerk political partisanism is seriously problematic. OP's post said nothing about Trump or Covid. Can we stay focused on the topic please?

I'm serious, I don't like him but I also don't like any of them. Shit men in power making things worse for us all. Why always try to make an argument comparing when someone makes a comment.

How come there was way more dead under Biden then? I'm not a Trump fan, duh... He's an idiot. But Biden, this is actually evil.

All right, can I be real here for a sec? The story around Hunter's laptop was always hinky, and I don't mean what you think I mean. I mean, initially when this stuff came out I heard that the guy making claims about it was blind and so couldn't have seen what was on it in the first place, and also that they hadn't even proven it was Hunter's laptop. I don't know what's true and what's not true in that mess, all I know is Hunter Biden is not an elected official, and Joe hasn't been responsible for him for more than 38 years. And everyone harping on Hunter just reeks of desperation -- come on now, aren't there actually good reasons to bust on Joe, like his obsession with TIMs and with sniffing women's hair?

If it comes out Hunter really did do something (else; he's been in trouble before, I think) untoward, fine. If it comes out Joe's covering up for him, that's not legal, so throw the book at him I suppose, but to laser focus on Hunter like whatever Hunter does is automatically Joe's fault is insane. Hunter hasn't been declared incompetent. Hunter is responsible for his own actions.

That said, I wish Joe the best of luck in getting around the First Amendment.

IMO it's not so much the validity or lack thereof regarding the Hunter claims that causes consternation, but the viscerality with which even raising questions about them is condemned as "misinformation" or "MAGA propaganda" or what have you. And the stench of hypocrisy, considering Hunter was caught on video having said he is one of his father's closest advisors. One would at least expect, or hope for, consistency on the part of journalists who scrutinized (rightly) the nepotism of Ivanka and Jared's "advisory capacity" as daddy whisperers in the White House. Trudeau almost lost his job for even the whiff of nepotism involving his mother, brother and a children's charity that handled a contract with the government. He went through the investigation, and it was concluded that the links were tenuous and it was not a quid pro quo. But the news covered it nonetheless.

Zuckerberg himself confirmed that the FBI pressured social media companies to suppress reporting about Hunter's computer. That's a disturbing precedent to set regardless of who occupies 1600 Penn, and regardless of the veracity of the suspicions. Imagine if the FBI had pressured the major TV news networks at the time to not report on the Washington Post's revelations about the Watergate Papers, calling it "Soviet propaganda" or an oppo smear from the McGovern campaign, and they willingly complied. The fact that Big Tech and legacy media are so embedded with this government and so willing to put their thumbs on the scale and dismiss anything outside the coastal liberal worldview as a QAnon conspiracy theory that needs to be quashed "to save democracy," is reason enough to sound alarms about them being the arbiters of deciding what constitutes "journalism" or not.

TL;DR I don't want to get into a bun fight about Hunter Biden. My concern is more the slippery-slope of partisan inclinations toward a Ministry of Truth. For the record I don't agree either when Republicans want to quash anything negative about Trump. Information should be presented fairly and without bias to let the people decide.

Hunter was caught on video having said he is one of his father's closest advisors.

But he can say whatever he wants, it doesn't make it true. I could claim to be one of Biden's advisors, and if somebody gave me preferential treatment on that account, that person would be an idiot and I would be a liar, that's all. It takes another step to show that there's political corruption happening, and when I go digging into the Hunter Biden story (I'm not one of those people who is afraid to look at the other side, I go digging around in al sorts of unsavory corners of the internet) I don't see any credible evidence that Hunter is doing anything more than lying to idiots.

The Sam Harris interview horrified me: https://www.opindia.com/2022/08/sam-harris-supports-censor-hunter-biden-laptop-story-left-wing-conspiracy-donald-trump-hillary-joe-biden/

No idea the overall quality of that news source but the story of the interview is how I remember seeing it.

[–] vulvapeople 8 points Edited

Arguing that Joe isn’t responsible for Hunter’s conduct relies on the assumption that Hunter’s business dealings aren’t thanks to Joe. Hunter is categorically a fuckup and yet he’s a millionaire. No way would he have that success had his father not been VP.

How much money he’s getting for his paintings also smells of quid pro quo political corruption.