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I highly recommend that people watch this video. It explains how language shapes your perception of reality. I used this video to springboard an argument against preferred pronouns in this post https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/70140/debunking-pronouns-are-a-social-construct

I didn't watch, but I have always loved this. I don't know if they mention, but in the Odyssey, etc. the ocean is described as "the color of wine" and other things we would never associate with it.

Also, where WE are still stuck is brown is just dark orange, but we can't see it because we designated them as different colors (there was an entire demonstration of this by some scientist on you tube)

Is that so about brown? Not all browns are created equal, it's something that drives me mad with online shopping - I love a good warm toned brown, but don't fob me off with a green toned one lol.

Yes! You can look at wikipedia under orange or brown, but this is the amazing video that shows it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh4aWZRtTwU

But of course that doesn't mean they can't make browns different tones, just like we can have cool and warm greens, etc.

Exactly! I always felt brown was a mix of green and orange. I will see if I can find the link!

You don't like olive?

I like red-browns (red-orange + black) and brown-browns (orange + black) (especially darker) and muted orange (orange + grey) and peach and salmon (orange and red-orange + white) and olives (green plus orange), but really don't like yellow-browns or tans or camels or beiges – I have red-orange undertones in my skin, so of course that's my bias.

That's fascinating! I remember travelling to Greece after reading the Iliad (having thought at the time, what is the deal with the wine dark sea...). There was a pretty stiff breeze and a clear sky and I got it, the sea was blue but it was dark, wine dark seemed fitting.

Also interesting side note, in medieval celtic languages, the words for blue, green and grey appear to be synonyms. Very possible that we're now missing some context, but it definitely takes you by surprise the first time you see the sky described as green or grass as blue.

Same with Japanese. Aoi just meant "the color of the sea", and it refers to green and blue. They now have a modern term for green: midori

Ancient Greeks had a word for sky blue "κυανό" which is what we call cyan now.

Bronze gets a blue-green patina. But writers also use language like green with envy and feeling blue. In short there are other interpretations of how ancient people perceived colors.

IIRC, no one in The Lord of the Rings has blue eyes, but the Dúnedain have grey eyes. Period-appropriate.

(I could be wrong about this. I don't remember about the Rohirrim, for example. But the grey eyes really struck me.)