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Article from NY Times that is causing a stir, about the "hearing voices" movement: https://archive.ph/xhhRo

What psychiatry terms psychosis, the Hearing Voices Movement refers to as nonconsensus realities ... one of the groups’ most essential tenets is that there must be no disabusing anyone of a personal reality.

The piece says that this movement is (at present) on the fringes of psychiatry, but I beg to differ: "Modern" (or postmodern?) medicine is already "affirming" a person's unreality by medicalizing their "gender dysphoria" with hormones and surgery, even as this same approach discourages prescribing medication to rid the patient of sensory hallucinations and multiple personalities. Instead the practitioners let them live with and talk through it.

I don't see where the discrepancy makes sense. Except for the "no disabusing of a person's reality" part and the reluctance to call it a "mental disorder." In other words it seems like Haldol is going out of vogue as Lupron is the new thing. TQ/NB/etc. isn't mentioned in the article, but there is a guy photographed wearing a "protect trans kids" shirt, and he says he's the "director" of one particular facility. Does this sound like another cult that's recruiting vulnerable people?

Article from NY Times that is causing a stir, about the "hearing voices" movement: https://archive.ph/xhhRo > What psychiatry terms psychosis, the Hearing Voices Movement refers to as nonconsensus realities ... one of the groups’ most essential tenets is that **there must be no disabusing anyone of a personal reality.** The piece says that this movement is (at present) on the fringes of psychiatry, but I beg to differ: "Modern" (or postmodern?) medicine is already "affirming" a person's unreality by medicalizing their "gender dysphoria" with hormones and surgery, even as this same approach discourages prescribing medication to rid the patient of sensory hallucinations and multiple personalities. Instead the practitioners let them live with and talk through it. I don't see where the discrepancy makes sense. Except for the "no disabusing of a person's reality" part and the reluctance to call it a "mental disorder." In other words it seems like Haldol is going out of vogue as Lupron is the new thing. TQ/NB/etc. isn't mentioned in the article, but there is a guy photographed wearing a "protect trans kids" shirt, and he says he's the "director" of one particular facility. Does this sound like another cult that's recruiting vulnerable people?

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My uncle has schizophrenia. He also has a big, functional family and a pretty good support system. Yet he is on medication. He understands that he has a psychiatric illness and is compliant.

In my professional field (refugees), I also deal with mentally ill people, who are in a shitty situation, often have no family and no support system. Due to language barriers, costs and legal red tape, their access to additional therapeutic measures are severely limited. I have dealt with ONE client so far who was capable of gaining some insight into his "reality" being warped due to an illness - that guy really liked his meds and was very compliant.

I find the notion that they are merely living an "alternative reality" cruel and privileged. By all means - we need more and better research into meds (it is horrible to see the effects of "chemical straitjackets"), we need to discuss possibilities how people living with such illness can live in situations that offer a high quality of life and also protection for everyone. We do not and should not redefine an illness into a fun accessory.

If you read the comments on that article it seems to be a 50/50 split between people with perspectives like yours, and the new-age types invoking Laing and pointing people in the direction of YouTube features on "shamanic awakenings" and the "kundalini third eye" and other such woo. This is the "liberal/progressive" equivalent to QAnon, and it's really shameful that so-called progressives have bought into it. The only thing I can see being a potential roadblock is them getting tripped up by their own pretzel-logic neuroses about "cultural appropriation," even though it hasn't stopped them from erroneously pulling in fa'afine and "two-spirit" to justify a Western case for TRA nonsense (which ends up just being another form of colonialism, though they won't admit that either). Then again, L. Ron Hubbard was a sci-fi writer (and a bad one at that), so I suppose the new adherents of the next wave of Woke Scientology would just glom it onto something else that is more fiction than science.

This article hit me very close to home. I wish my loved one had been given the chance to live her life without medications that dulled her senses, gave her uncontrollable permanent tics called tardive dyskinesia, and made her sleep 16 hours a day. She used to be able to work before she became a victim of polypharmacy. The drugs don't even stop hallucinations in plenty of people, my relative included, they're basically just extremely sedative. A chemical lobotomy if you will. Oh and the manufacturer of Depakote is paying settlements to Medicare because they inappropriately marketed the drug as an add-on for schizophrenics who weren't well managed with haldol alone without good evidence. No one who took Depakote for this reason is getting a settlement for potential harm (sorry Mom), and no practitioner is being punished for believing the marketing without looking into the evidence, as is their responsibility.

Also very very typical of the NYT, they fail to contextualize the problem- it comes down to big pharma and the incentivization of daily maintenance treatments rather than cures.

After watching my relative's autonomy be disrespected so consistently by mental health practitioners throughout my life, and experiencing the sheer unwillingness of those practitioners to discuss the ethics of their practices, I actually think psychiatry is the cult.

There are never any lines these people can't cross because the goal posts always shift back towards more the absurd. So what if a person who thinks they can only subsist on human flesh starts killing and cooking their family, friends, neighbors because their mental illness tells them to? We just sit back and shrug like, oh well, that's their personal reality! It starts with this T NB gender queer crap and spirals into a free for all because you can't say no to anything anyone does because you can't "disabuse anyone of their personal reality."

It's a dietary lifestyle, mind you. Jeffrey Dahmer was just culinary-nonconforming. /s

We’ve seen what happens when mentally ill people don’t get treated, it’s called the homeless of every major metropolitan US city.

The "craziest" part seems to be the inmates running the institutions now. The cognitive dissonance of this and prescribing hormones and surgery to a person whose "alter" is Chaz or Caitlyn is really striking. At the same time you can't say that anything is a mental illness anymore. I still remember those old Warner cartoons where Elmer was in a rubber room believing himself to be the Emperor Napoleon. Now Elmer can be prescribed heavy medication to "transition" to being Josephine. While letting him "converse with" all the other looney characters dancing merry melodies around his head.

I feel like we've all fallen down a wabbit hole.

Any feminist worth her salt should never be pro psychiatry. It serves no purpose except to harm and control women.

What are your views on taking psychiatric medications (SSRIs and SNRIs)?

I would like to not depend upon them but I really cannot get through the day if I don't take my SNRI - my emotional regulation is so poor without it and at this point I'm not even sure if that's a withdrawal symptom or just what I'm really like without medication

I agree and the antifeminist origins of psychiatry are well documented. It's also no coincidence that surgical lobotomies were disproportionately performed on women despite men being the majority of patients at the US hospitals where they were performed- women being quiet and complacent is one of the main goals of both patriarchy and psychiatry

This isn't new. I have a book about something very similar being recommended many decades ago.

[–] LunarMoose 1 points Edited

madness and civilization (Foucault's book that romanticizes the mentally ill -wandering the countryside)