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[–] ProxyMusic 13 points Edited

"But we are not a physical sport. We are classed as a precision sport by the IOC, which we are.

How on earth is snooker not a physical sport? He makes it sound like the players move the billiard balls through telekinesis. Or perhaps he's confusing snooker with a spelling bee.

“And we are therefore not too dissimilar from archery or shooting and those kind of sports, even if stamina might at some point be relevant.

It's not really stamina that is the issue, though. It's a host a physical sex differences that give males a significant advantage over females even in games of short duration.

These include: faster reaction times in part due to differences in muscle mass, distribution and the nature of the muscle tissue, including the twitch fibers; larger frames; much greater upper body strength; longer and stronger arms that give males greater reach navigating a billiards table (all of which are designed with the size of male bodies in mind); much greater grip strength and bigger hands that make handling the cue easier; vastly larger, more powerful hearts and lungs leading to slower heart and respiration rates and thus lower pulse and fewer need to take breaths; breathing mechanisms that mean males move the same amount of air in and out of their bodies with less energy expenditure than females, meaning each breath takes less out of men; more hemoglobin and thus oxygen in the blood; male bodies naturally get oxygen to the muscles in their extremities much faster; greater hand-eye coordination; no breasts to get in the way and need to be accounted for when leaning the torso on top of the billiards table and trying to get in just the right position to take steady aim and make a shot...

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“But we are not a physical sport. We are classed as a precision sport by the IOC, which we are.

“And we are therefore not too dissimilar from archery or shooting and those kind of sports, even if stamina might at some point be relevant.

“There is nothing that tells us that women cannot compete to the same level in snooker as a man on any physical grounds.

So then why doesn’t Jamie go compete in the men’s division, if there is no difference? Why are there men’s and women’s divisions to begin with?

So then why doesn’t Jamie go compete in the men’s division, if there is no difference? Why are there men’s and women’s divisions to begin with?

Bingo. Assholes.

Exactly. If this is a sport where biological sex has no impact, then why are there 2 divisions? Equestrian sports are not divided by sex, elite darts isn't either. I don't really see how biological sex has any meaningful impact in snooker. Physical strength is largely irrelevant (brute force works against you), it isn't an endurance competition, nothing about virilization really matters. So just have one open competition.

I don't believe that is true. Like with archery having a longer wingspan and force to hit the ball/fire the arrow will count.

My 18yr old son is small for a man, he's not much taller than me, about 5ft5. His arms are quite a bit longer than mine demonstrated by the fact he can reach higher cupboards than me despite our height being about the same.

If snooker is like archery, then, surprise, surprise, men shouldn't compete against women, because strength plays a huge, huge, huge role in archery.

Basically, a man needs much less skill to be a good archer than a woman does, as the more strength you have, the straighter the line the arrow flies. (A woman has to aim a bit higher than the target actually is, because the arrow will lose height while flying. Stronger men have it easier than weaker men, but men definitely have it easier than women.)

I'd expect the higher average height of males will be an advantage in snooker, improving their ability to reach over the large table to aim tricky shots.

But if the differences are insignificant, why do they have a separate women's competition?

[–] InfiniteGames 4 points Edited

If these issues don’t apply, why do they even have a women’s division?

(Personally I think women are just as good as men at billiards, and don’t need our own division. I have personally skunked any number of dudes. But if we are going to have one, what the hell is it based on?)

Not a snooker player, so I'm curious as to whether the women's tables are any lower/smaller than men's, or the sticks or balls lighter, &c. to accomplish different physical averages. Secondary to this, I would suspect segregation might be necessary because of the invisible male advantage: men being more likely to be able to dedicate more time to practice because of reduced familial and social expectations, women being subject to censure and harassment at snooker establishments, women being treated derisively or dismissively at all levels of mixed competition, ad infinitum.