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I have been a big wrestling fan since I was a child and I decided to follow some of my favorite female wrestlers on Instagram, I was strolling through Mickie James' insta and saw the highlights from the match. As soon as I saw her opponent, something told me to look deeper into them. And come to find out it is a TIM that she was fighting. He goes by the name Giselle Shaw and it trips me out that he is not fighting the men but the women.

Any thoughts on this?

I have been a big wrestling fan since I was a child and I decided to follow some of my favorite female wrestlers on Instagram, I was strolling through Mickie James' insta and saw the highlights from the match. As soon as I saw her opponent, something told me to look deeper into them. And come to find out it is a TIM that she was fighting. He goes by the name Giselle Shaw and it trips me out that he is not fighting the men but the women. Any thoughts on this?

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The women and men will wrestle together, and it is not real. It is the one "sport" where it doesn't really matter biologically. But so many Divas struggle to get air time, and now it will be focused on this male.

The number of men who want to watch TIMs in replacement of women must be super low though. WWE has been struggling to keep fans for years, and this seems like it will turn more away.

I'm not a wrestling fan, but my husband is, so he tells me tidbits of news and history often. So feel free to ignore my comment if you want lol.

I am firmly against any male competing against women in physical sports. Since the WWE is scripted, they probably think that this is "safe". But the men still get hurt when a stunt goes wrong, so the women are still at risk.

I wonder if anything will change now that Stephanie McMahon is CEO.

(Unrelated, I would love to see Orange Cassidy perform live. AEW has been to arenas near me but I'm not comfortable going out to such a large crowd, because my kids are still little and I don't want to get them sick.)

WWE has never employed a TIM, they've only done an occasional joke match where a smaller man tries to cheat by entering the women's division and a woman beats him easily. I suspect they never will, I think they understand that dealing with a controversial political issue means half the audience stops watching.

I'm not a wrestling fan, but for a number of years I've been keeping abreast of the efforts of men to use gender identity claims to invade women's sports.

Like other macho fields such as the military and tech, pro wrestling has more than its fair share of male AGP cross-dressers who in today's cultural climate have the freedom to declare themselves stunning and brave TW and to be counted as amongst "society's most vulnerable, marginalized and oppressed" group evuh.

TIM, Nyla Rose, now 40, has been competing in women's pro matches for nearly a decade, though not with WWE. Rose began "transitioning" at age 29, and has been allowed to participate in women's matches pretty much from the start. Rose is currently with All Elite Wrestling, and is a former AEW Women's World Champion. From Wikipedia:

From 2013 to 2019, Rose wrestled on the American independent circuit, appearing with promotions such as Women Superstars Uncensored. She also appeared in Japan with promotions such as Pro Wrestling Zero1 and Sendai Girls' Pro Wrestling.

Rose became the first openly transgender wrestler to sign with a major American professional wrestling promotion when she signed with All Elite Wrestling (AEW) in February 2019.

https://www.si.com/wrestling/2022/02/01/nyla-rose-trans-wrestler-aew

WWE star Tyler Reks, age 43, came out as TIM in 2021. He now goes by the name Gabbi Tuft. But I don't think he's wrestling "as a woman. He retired from the ring years ago. His wrestling career was from 2007 to 2014.

https://www.insider.com/former-wwe-wrestling-gabbi-tuft-out-transgender-2021-2

Fellow wrestling fan here- James and Shaw wrestle for Impact Wrestling and not WWE. WWE does not do inter-gender matches. A lot of TIM wrestlers will never wrestle for WWE. They will wrestle for TNA, AEW, ROH (just to name a few) but they will never get to the WWE level because let’s be real here, the McMahons would never let that fly in their promotion.

I don’t know much about WWE, but I believe it’s scripted entertainment?

Like no women will actually be hurt in a true competition

I am definitely more concerned for injury when women fight men in MMA. And it’s an unfair match when there is an actual prize, like Laural Hubbard takin opportunities away from actual women in the Olympics

It still sends the wrong message. Men should not be allowed in Women’s sports

I don’t know much about WWE, but I believe it’s scripted entertainment?

Like no women will actually be hurt in a true competition

This is correct, and honestly a woman may be safer with a TIM than with another woman. A TIM is larger and stronger and more able to safely catch her if she jumps onto him from the top rope, and more able to safely guide her to a safe landing if he's going to be slamming her.

The real problem is that it's a man taking up one of the few limited spots available for women, and supports the idea that it's OK for men to be in women's sports.

BTW this is not in WWE, this is some smaller minor league wrestling show. Smaller shows seem to embrace trans ideology, and the Reddit site for pro wrestling is completely anti-women and will ban anyone for saying men shouldn't be in the women's division.

Fortunately, WWE itself doesn't do this kind of nonsense. They have occasionally had smaller men dress up in drag and do a high pitched voice and do this as a complete joke, which leads to one on the stronger women beating him up to the approval of the crowd, but it's been years since they've done it and probably never will again because why bother risking complaints from TIMs.

They can mock us but we can’t mock their mockery

Why are we not surprised?

It's scripted but they are still genuinely punching, grappling and throwing the shit out of each other.

Great. They will script him to pretend he isn’t winning and script her to pretend it didn’t hurt

[–] Lipsy 1 points Edited

WWE is choreographed entertainment. It's so self-consciously fake that the word "kayfabe" (roughly, staying in character even though said character is outrageously unserious) originated there.

To be fair, most WWE performers ARE, in fact, skilled wrestlers (as in actual, Greco-Roman style, wrestling—the Olympics kind) who competed and won at high levels.
Those ppl routing into WWE doesn't prove that WWE is real, though. It just proves that you can't realistically make a living (as an athlete) in the actual sport of wrestling.