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On Friday October 7, the Dr Phil Show did a what I think was a very good episode discussing whether it's fair for TIMs to participate in women's sports. https://youtu.be/jxxuNlmaG1E

Making the case that women's sports should be for females only were Olympic gold medalist, feminist civil rights lawyer and champion of fairness in sports policy Nancy Hogshead-Makar; Riley Gaines, the outspoken NCAA D1 swimmer who was forced to compete against Lia Thomas and has been speaking out against the unfairness; and Harvard professor and expert on testosterone Carole Hooven, author of "T."

Promoting the view that men should be allowed to use claims about their gender feelz and hormone levels to muscle in on women's sports was a young TRA TIF, Layne Ingram, the women's basketball coach at Lansing Community College in Michigan. Ingram started taking testosterone in 2017.

In my view, Hogshead-Makar, Hooven and Gaines all did an excellent job. So did Dr Phil and his production team, who made great use of graphics put together by Emma Hilton that show the extent of all the various kinds of physical advantages that males have over females that make them perform so much better in most sports.

These three women and Dr Phil all made clear, convincing arguments and provided solid evidence for why sports need to be segregated by sex. They provided strong refutation of the TRA claim that males who reduce their testosterone lose so much of their male sports advantage that it's fair to let T-reduced TIMs into women's sports. Yet at the same time, they all came across as compassionate, fair-minded, emotionally mature grownups who've given careful, respectful consideration to the feelings and POVs of TIPs and sincerely don't want to see anyone discriminated against or treated badly on account of gender identity.

By contrast, I thought the TIF Layne Ingram came across as totally unfamiliar with the facts and in complete denial of physical reality. She had no decent arguments whatsoever, just the same old nonsensical TRA slogans and untrue claims we've heard a million times before. She seems to have gone on national TV so sure that her position is the correct and unassailable one that she didn't bother to even attempt to bone up on any facts and evidence beforehand. She just kept repeating nonsense that there's no proof that TIMs - and males in general - have physical advantages over females.

Ingram also struck me as seeming not to giving a single solitary fuck about female athletes and what's fair for them, or for fairness in sport in general. Very scary in my view from someone who is a coach of college women's basketball team. The only people Ingram showed concern and compassion for were TIPs like herself. It was really pathetic seeing her cape for Lia Thomas, claiming that what matters most is that Thomas is happy and gets to live and be seen by others as his "authentic self."

Ingram's performance ended up just really going to show that the testosterone she's been taking for 5 years really is a super powerful drug that does more than cause TIFs to grow facial hair and pack on more muscle. Taking T also seems to have fostered tunnel vision, hubris and the sort of self-centeredness so commonly seen amongst gender specials who typically can't see beyond the narrow interests of their own small, navel-gazing, outer appearance-obsessed community.

Taking T and drinking the gender woo kool-aid has apparently helped foster a ridiculous persecution complex too. At one point, Ingram said being trans in the USA today means "walking around in a society that wants to kill you." Which stood in stark contrast to the fact that Dr Phil and all the other guests on the show bent over backwards to be really kind and respectful to her, and to express support for her and other TIPs.

Towards the end of the show, another young TIF or non-binary woman in the audience brought up the issue of XY DSD athletes who compete in women's sports like Caster Semenya, repeating the oft-heard lie that they are "cisgender women" who have the same levels of natural testosterone as males. Hooven made it clear that athletes like Semenya are not "women with high testosterone" the way they're often described, and said that females do not make testosterone in amounts that come anywhere close to even the bottom edge of the normal male range.

Hooven's twitter thread about the show:

https://twitter.com/hoovlet/status/1578584856644456448

Article on Ingram here:

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2022/10/05/trans-activist-lcc-coach-layne-ingram-to-appear-on-dr-phil/69538332007/

On Friday October 7, the Dr Phil Show did a what I think was a very good episode discussing whether it's fair for TIMs to participate in women's sports. https://youtu.be/jxxuNlmaG1E Making the case that women's sports should be for females only were Olympic gold medalist, feminist civil rights lawyer and champion of fairness in sports policy Nancy Hogshead-Makar; Riley Gaines, the outspoken NCAA D1 swimmer who was forced to compete against Lia Thomas and has been speaking out against the unfairness; and Harvard professor and expert on testosterone Carole Hooven, author of "T." Promoting the view that men should be allowed to use claims about their gender feelz and hormone levels to muscle in on women's sports was a young TRA TIF, Layne Ingram, the women's basketball coach at Lansing Community College in Michigan. Ingram started taking testosterone in 2017. In my view, Hogshead-Makar, Hooven and Gaines all did an excellent job. So did Dr Phil and his production team, who made great use of graphics put together by Emma Hilton that show the extent of all the various kinds of physical advantages that males have over females that make them perform so much better in most sports. These three women and Dr Phil all made clear, convincing arguments and provided solid evidence for why sports need to be segregated by sex. They provided strong refutation of the TRA claim that males who reduce their testosterone lose so much of their male sports advantage that it's fair to let T-reduced TIMs into women's sports. Yet at the same time, they all came across as compassionate, fair-minded, emotionally mature grownups who've given careful, respectful consideration to the feelings and POVs of TIPs and sincerely don't want to see anyone discriminated against or treated badly on account of gender identity. By contrast, I thought the TIF Layne Ingram came across as totally unfamiliar with the facts and in complete denial of physical reality. She had no decent arguments whatsoever, just the same old nonsensical TRA slogans and untrue claims we've heard a million times before. She seems to have gone on national TV so sure that her position is the correct and unassailable one that she didn't bother to even attempt to bone up on any facts and evidence beforehand. She just kept repeating nonsense that there's no proof that TIMs - and males in general - have physical advantages over females. Ingram also struck me as seeming not to giving a single solitary fuck about female athletes and what's fair for them, or for fairness in sport in general. Very scary in my view from someone who is a coach of college women's basketball team. The only people Ingram showed concern and compassion for were TIPs like herself. It was really pathetic seeing her cape for Lia Thomas, claiming that what matters most is that Thomas is happy and gets to live and be seen by others as his "authentic self." Ingram's performance ended up just really going to show that the testosterone she's been taking for 5 years really is a super powerful drug that does more than cause TIFs to grow facial hair and pack on more muscle. Taking T also seems to have fostered tunnel vision, hubris and the sort of self-centeredness so commonly seen amongst gender specials who typically can't see beyond the narrow interests of their own small, navel-gazing, outer appearance-obsessed community. Taking T and drinking the gender woo kool-aid has apparently helped foster a ridiculous persecution complex too. At one point, Ingram said being trans in the USA today means "walking around in a society that wants to kill you." Which stood in stark contrast to the fact that Dr Phil and all the other guests on the show bent over backwards to be really kind and respectful to her, and to express support for her and other TIPs. Towards the end of the show, another young TIF or non-binary woman in the audience brought up the issue of XY DSD athletes who compete in women's sports like Caster Semenya, repeating the oft-heard lie that they are "cisgender women" who have the same levels of natural testosterone as males. Hooven made it clear that athletes like Semenya are not "women with high testosterone" the way they're often described, and said that females do not make testosterone in amounts that come anywhere close to even the bottom edge of the normal male range. Hooven's twitter thread about the show: https://twitter.com/hoovlet/status/1578584856644456448 Article on Ingram here: https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2022/10/05/trans-activist-lcc-coach-layne-ingram-to-appear-on-dr-phil/69538332007/

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[–] Jem 15 points

I was pleasantly surprised by that episode. Especially by Dr Phil saying that just because he doesn't believe men should play on women's teams doesn't mean he's a bigot. I expected him to be kind.

[–] sohh 13 points

Wow, wouldn’t expect Dr. Phil of all people to do this topic justice. This is great to hear!

All true, true, true, but WHY ARE WE PRETENDING this topic needs debate, scientific facts, and the changing of hearts and minds? Every poll/comment ratio shows that the public, at near unanimous levels of support, believes biological males should not compete in female sports. Because of their own two eyes. Lawsuits against the sporting federations are required, and they can have their own Mermaid Moment™️ where their representatives are required to defend THEIR position using what boils down to the Menz Feelz defense.

Excellent summary by poster. This is great news. And so unusual to have GC in majority on show. But why a TIF, not the most common, TIM? TIF are no threat to men's sports. Women's sports seems to be the issue that most can get behind and are a good way of peeking. Also, hopefully coming, he taped a show with Kara Dansky on it. Perhaps that's what peeked him. Don't think it's been on yet.

I think after "Veronica Ivy" went on Trevor Noah, TRAs realized having a hulking man say that he is a "biological female" because he isn't a cyborg and his driver's license has an F on it, so he should be allowed in women's sport, is not a winning move.

I agree. Also, after Lia Thomas did a great deal of damage to the TRA cause by his performance in the pool and locker room in later 2021 and early 2022, he scored an even more spectacular own goal that hurt TRAS further when he went on "Good Morning America" in late May and came off as a totally narcissistic, entitled prick reeking of white male Ivy League arrogance and privilege.

Over the past year, and especially in recent months, the TRA lobby and gender identity ideologues have been having TIFs such as Schuyler Bailor and Chase Strangio, non-binary females and other female genderists carry the water for TIMs. TIFs and other females are increasingly being put forward in public settings to argue that "diversity, equity and inclusion" and "human rights," "progress" and "fairness" mean males must now be allowed to muscle in on female sports and spaces.

Tellingly, the articles arguing for an end to sex segregation in sports and other spheres of life published recently in The Atlantic and Nature both were written by female genderists - and all the sources and experts whom the female authors quoted were female gender ideologues too. In The Atlantic piece calling for an end to sex categories in sports, the anecdotal examples the author gave to illustrate why she believes it's time to end sex separation in sports were of a couple of girls who want to play on boys'/men's sports teams.

Just like TIF Gavin Grimm has been used as the public face of the campaign to end sex-separate toilets in schools in the US, non-binary runner Cal Calamia has recently been the figure out front and center in the ongoing campaign to make running more "inclusive" by adding ridiculous new categories based on athletes' claimed gender identities.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/05/29/cal-calamia-bay-to-breakers-non-binary-athletics/

https://www.thesfmarathon.com/blog/2022/06/23/gender-expansive-runners-story-cal-calamia/

The fact that "nonbinary" athletes have not cause people to wake up from this mass delusion that "gender expansiveness" is a meaningful term, and that sports in particular are about anything other than biological sex, makes me worry that it will be a long time before society gets over this.

TIF are no threat

That's one of the main reasons why the TRA strategy is to put TIFs forward in these public facing roles. It's a ruse. When female people (and especially physically petite females like Layne Ingram and Chase Strangio) are the ones arguing for the end to female sports and spaces, it obscures what's actually going on. Everyone can see that little Layne and Chase with their tiny hands and feet, short stature and unimposing female bodies aren't a physical threat to anyone of either sex, but the same cannot be said of big burly and brawny blokes who exude male arrogance, entitlement and smarminess from every pore like Veronica Ivy and Lia Thomas.

Moreover, having female TRAs like Ingram and Strangio carry the water for males here gives the impression that letting males into female sports and spaces is a cause supported by many females. On the Dr Phil show, Layne Ingram said "there's no debate" on the matter and she actually came out and condemned "separate but equal" categories in sports based on the immutable physical characteristic of sex as inherently unfair.

I got the impression that Layne Ingram is a total naif with so little life experience and ability to see beyond herself and her own narrow self-interests that she has fallen for the theory that all kinds of discrimination are inherently wrong. She thinks fairness and justice and "diversity and inclusion" mean ignoring all physical differences between people and treating everyone as though we are all exactly the same. So no more age distinctions in sports and other areas like education, health care and housing - adults get to join Little League and junior track and trounce little kids; all schools have to be one-room joints where everyone of all ages is in the same grade and same space and gets the same exact lessons; pediatricians must treat geriatric patients; senior housing, nursing homes for the elderly and senior centers must now admit anyone of any age. No more accommodations for people with various kinds of disabilities and diseases that are tailored to their conditions. No more need to bother providing Braille for the blind and closed captioning for the hearing impaired - if you want to make a place accessible to "the disabled," then just installing a wheelchair accessible toilet and maybe a wheelchair ramp is sufficient. No more workplace provisions and protections for pregnant and nursing women - since not everyone can get pregnant or will get pregnant in their lives, then making accommodations for pregnancy and maternity is "discriminatory" and creating "special privileges." That's the kind of reasoning brainwashed people who haven't thought things through like Layne Ingram typically engage in.