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I watched Leaving Neverland yesterday (I know I’m late to the party by a few years) and was wondering what everyone’s opinions are?

What do you think of the documentary itself?

Do you believe Michael Jackson to be innocent or guilty?

I have never known a celebrity to have more erm...passionate (or rabid) fans than MJ and so I recognise this may be controversial discussion.

I thought the documentary handled the distressing subject matter well. It was well put together and obviously hard to watch at times.

Personally I lean strongly towards believing the victims. I can’t believe any parent could allow their child to sleep alone in the same room (let alone bed) as a grown man who isn’t their father. Those parents were wilfully neglectful and stupid and were essentially pimping their sons out IMO.

I don’t buy the arguments that he was “like a child” or that his actions were not nefarious. He displayed recognisable patterns of grooming and pedophilia. Due to fame, blind adoration of the masses, and talent, he got away with it.

Saying all that, the documentary is one sided (nothing wrong with that) so I’m unaware of MJ’s defence or any surrounding context.

Ultimately we’ll never know for certain. To me it’s just another case of famous men getting away with depraved and disgusting crimes. Being elevated to godlike status because they have talent or charm (usually overhyped talent and charm at that)

Please share your thoughts, I’d love to hear them :)

I watched Leaving Neverland yesterday (I know I’m late to the party by a few years) and was wondering what everyone’s opinions are? What do you think of the documentary itself? Do you believe Michael Jackson to be innocent or guilty? I have never known a celebrity to have more erm...passionate (or rabid) fans than MJ and so I recognise this may be controversial discussion. I thought the documentary handled the distressing subject matter well. It was well put together and obviously hard to watch at times. Personally I lean strongly towards believing the victims. I can’t believe any parent could allow their child to sleep alone in the same room (let alone bed) as a grown man who isn’t their father. Those parents were wilfully neglectful and stupid and were essentially pimping their sons out IMO. I don’t buy the arguments that he was “like a child” or that his actions were not nefarious. He displayed recognisable patterns of grooming and pedophilia. Due to fame, blind adoration of the masses, and talent, he got away with it. Saying all that, the documentary is one sided (nothing wrong with that) so I’m unaware of MJ’s defence or any surrounding context. Ultimately we’ll never know for certain. To me it’s just another case of famous men getting away with depraved and disgusting crimes. Being elevated to godlike status because they have talent or charm (usually overhyped talent and charm at that) Please share your thoughts, I’d love to hear them :)

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it’s rare for victims to lie about rape.

No, we can never know if an accusation is true unless there is actual proof, but that is one of the worst, and most painful parts of abuse, sexual abuse, assault, etc

I get a bit angry at the people who dismiss it with certainty. How TF can they say ‘definitely not’

I believe these men because of all the weird things I’d need to believe for this to be untrue

We know MJ was abused horribly as a child. There is no part of me that thinks Papa Joe wouldn’t give sexual access to grown assed men if it profited him.

So we have a man with a heartbreaking history of abuse and parental attachment issues. Likely sexual abuse. Like ‘the Coreys’ it’s not just women abused in Hollywood.

He has mental health issues, clearly. The surgical addiction, skin lightening etc. I know he had vitiligo but why is he trying to look lighter and remove black features in other ways?

His behavior is erratic

His friendships don’t last into adulthood

Why no adults in the rooms for sleepovers or cameras if he knows how weird this is

[–] Tiramisuomi 1 points Edited

Hi! I have vitiligo and the struggle is really awful for people with dark skin. Because of racism, a black person with extensive disease will first by read as a "dirty/muddy" white person because white is the default. It sucks for people to hate on a person with the illness who chooses skin lightening (not you btw since you said you get it!), but I understand a lot more where people wonder why he had to make himself look more... well, white, to accompany it. Wanting to look starkly different from his previous self/look more "congruent" in a way makes the most sense to me.

Obviously, this is the only singular thing I will defend him on. I know in my 110% he was guilty, and I hate those boys' parents for prostituting their children and telling themselves sweet lies about how him being "childlike" makes it OK.

Yes, he was a deeply disturbed man with a harrowing backstory and a clear disregard for boundaries and societal norms. We all know what deeply disturbed men are capable of and because of that I cannot comprehend how parents could leave their children alone with him.

I have so much pity for the Jackson kids and what they endured. Young Michael suffered immensely and obviously had a lot of problems (he clearly had issues with his blackness and his body) but my sympathy ends where his behaviour towards boys begins.

I also believe his interest in children was sexual because he showed clear interest in little boys but not girls. If he was just an eccentric who enjoyed the platonic company of children then why not both? Why the clear fixation on boys? Why did they need to sleep in his room and be away from their parents? It doesn’t add up.

We can’t say for definite either way (and that must be one of the worst things for victims of SA) but I don’t know how people can outright dismiss these men as liars.

I have so much pity for the Jackson kids and what they endured. Young Michael suffered immensely and obviously had a lot of problems (he clearly had issues with his blackness and his body) but my sympathy ends where his behaviour towards boys begins.

Exactly this!! Yes

I also believe his interest in children was sexual because he showed clear interest in little boys but not girls. If he was just an eccentric who enjoyed the platonic company of children then why not both? Why the clear fixation on boys? Why did they need to sleep in his room and be away from their parents? It doesn’t add up.

And only a certain race and age group. Definitely a menu choice

We can’t say for definite either way (and that must be one of the worst things for victims of SA) but I don’t know how people can outright dismiss these men as liars.

I admire them for being able to speak out about male victims of sexual abuse. The MRAs need to support this and do their own activism, instead of bothering women who center female rape victims