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I watched Leaving Neverland yesterday (I know I’m late to the party by a few years) and was wondering what everyone’s opinions are?

What do you think of the documentary itself?

Do you believe Michael Jackson to be innocent or guilty?

I have never known a celebrity to have more erm...passionate (or rabid) fans than MJ and so I recognise this may be controversial discussion.

I thought the documentary handled the distressing subject matter well. It was well put together and obviously hard to watch at times.

Personally I lean strongly towards believing the victims. I can’t believe any parent could allow their child to sleep alone in the same room (let alone bed) as a grown man who isn’t their father. Those parents were wilfully neglectful and stupid and were essentially pimping their sons out IMO.

I don’t buy the arguments that he was “like a child” or that his actions were not nefarious. He displayed recognisable patterns of grooming and pedophilia. Due to fame, blind adoration of the masses, and talent, he got away with it.

Saying all that, the documentary is one sided (nothing wrong with that) so I’m unaware of MJ’s defence or any surrounding context.

Ultimately we’ll never know for certain. To me it’s just another case of famous men getting away with depraved and disgusting crimes. Being elevated to godlike status because they have talent or charm (usually overhyped talent and charm at that)

Please share your thoughts, I’d love to hear them :)

I watched Leaving Neverland yesterday (I know I’m late to the party by a few years) and was wondering what everyone’s opinions are? What do you think of the documentary itself? Do you believe Michael Jackson to be innocent or guilty? I have never known a celebrity to have more erm...passionate (or rabid) fans than MJ and so I recognise this may be controversial discussion. I thought the documentary handled the distressing subject matter well. It was well put together and obviously hard to watch at times. Personally I lean strongly towards believing the victims. I can’t believe any parent could allow their child to sleep alone in the same room (let alone bed) as a grown man who isn’t their father. Those parents were wilfully neglectful and stupid and were essentially pimping their sons out IMO. I don’t buy the arguments that he was “like a child” or that his actions were not nefarious. He displayed recognisable patterns of grooming and pedophilia. Due to fame, blind adoration of the masses, and talent, he got away with it. Saying all that, the documentary is one sided (nothing wrong with that) so I’m unaware of MJ’s defence or any surrounding context. Ultimately we’ll never know for certain. To me it’s just another case of famous men getting away with depraved and disgusting crimes. Being elevated to godlike status because they have talent or charm (usually overhyped talent and charm at that) Please share your thoughts, I’d love to hear them :)

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[–] notyourfetish 6 points Edited

My mother was a huge MJ fan growing up, so I was a fan by proxy and didn't want to believe it was true for years.

Then I started doing "research" and it all clicked into place: MJ was a misognyistic gay man with AGP. His AGP manifested in trying to look like women he admired with surgery, rather than just cross dressing. All the women Micheal dated were women he wanted to BE.

I also think he was molested as a child, which stunted his emotional growth. Just the end result of alot of sexual and psychological abuse and too much fame too young, too fast. (Not excusing MJ, just stating facts).

The year Leaving Neverland came out, I was dealing with my own childhood trauma and in the process of cutting my abusive mother from my life, packing my shit, and moving far away from her. I was essentially an emotional mess.

Then I looked at LN and I saw myself in James Safechuck. His eyes were so haunted. It was exactly how I felt -- like I had been violated, because I had come to the realization that I had been manipulated and gas lighted (mind controlled) my entire life and thirty years had been stolen from me: my childhood, adolescence, and all the years it took trying to undo the trauma and damage.

You can't fake the kind of haunted look Safechuck had while talking about what happened to him. The greatest actresses are thinking about some fucked up shit that happened to them whenever they do that look on camera.

Also, at the time, I was in a place where my I knew no one would believe me. My ... unmother...is a covert malignant narcisst, which means she's very charming, a good liar, and had people convinced for years that she was good person.

If I tried to speak out, I knew no one would listen. Even I was fooled by that monster for years into thinking she was the nicest person ever, and I was just mentally ill and imagining the abuse and I'd better take my mind numbing pills again to forget about it -- as my abuser kept sweetly advising me.

MJ did the same exact shit. He drugged those kids and raped them, then told them for years that the molestation was love, while charming the rest of the world into thinking he was such a great person.

Oh, yes. No WONDER my evil-ass mother adored him. My mother saw herself in MJ (she also had abusive parents and was molested) and I saw myself in MJ's broken, confused victims.

Yes, I definitely believe he was guilty.