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On either Netflix or Amazon Prime. I like somewhat dark and not (too) misogynist (True Detective was too much for me). Thrillers with great characterisations and science fiction elements would be ideal (like every season of Fringe after the first one). I got annoyed with the male-gaziness of Stranger Things in the first season so dropped it, but maybe it improves?

I liked The Expanse a lot. And The Americans. Any recommendations very much welcomed.

On either Netflix or Amazon Prime. I like somewhat dark and not (too) misogynist (True Detective was too much for me). Thrillers with great characterisations and science fiction elements would be ideal (like every season of Fringe after the first one). I got annoyed with the male-gaziness of Stranger Things in the first season so dropped it, but maybe it improves? I liked The Expanse a lot. And The Americans. Any recommendations very much welcomed.

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I dove right into this before reading carefully that you asked for Netflix and Amazon Prime. Sorry😬. I’m going to leave it in case anyone with Apple TV+ has not yet seen any of these shows. I cancelled Netflix after having it as far back when they used to mail DVD’s. I never found anything that I liked any longer. Too many teen shows that were highly sexualized and too many super heros for me. I will rejoin when they show the last season of Peaky Blinders in the US.

AppleTV+ costs $4.99 a month and there are many more shows that I watch that I did not list. It’s a bigger value for me personally than Netflix is now.

Shows I enjoy(ed):

Black Bird. (Apple TV+) Facing a decade in prison for illegal firearms charges, Jimmy Keene (Taron Egerton) agrees to work with the FBI in exchange for a lesser sentence. Immediately, Keene is sent undercover to find the victims of a suspected serial killer.

NOTE: this may be too much reality, knowing that it is a true story but it is very well done with great acting.

Pachinko (Apple tv+) is a mini-series based on the New York Times best-selling book of the same name. Across four generations, a Korean family moves from country to country in search of a better life.

With dialogue in Korean, Japanese, and English, Pachinko is a truly international series that celebrates immigration and diversity.

Note: this is really good.

Tehran (Apple TV+) Undercover hacker Tamar (Niv Sultan) returns to her home country to sabotage a nuclear program. However, when plans go awry, she's tasked with an even more dangerous mission.

One of Apple TV's most acclaimed original shows, Tehran is finally back with a second season. In 2021, Tehran became the first Israeli TV show to win the prestigious International Emmy Award for best drama.

Note: very good, very suspenseful, great acting.

Severance (Apple tv+) The employees at Lumon Industries all have something in common: Every day, their memories of the outside world are erased when they arrive to work. The system works perfectly, until it doesn't, which causes loyal worker Mark (Adam Scott) to question everything.

Note: this is very different and off-beat. It took me a couple of watches to get into. I’m looking forward to season 2. It definitely has sci-fi elements.

Suspicion (Apple tv+) The son of American business mogul Katherine Newman (Uma Thurman) mysteriously goes missing from a New York hotel. Meanwhile, five British tourists return home from the U.S. only to find out that they are the prime suspects.

Note: this is very good. I am looking forward to a second season because it was not neatly wrapped up and I still want to know “whodunit”.

Shining Girl (Apple tv+) Journalist and assault survivor Kirby Mazrachi (Elisabeth Moss) just wants to forget the past, but it comes back to haunt her when the attack is connected with a new murder case.

NOTE: this is so very good. It took me an episode or two to figure out what was going on but I like that because so many tv shows are so easily figured out. Sci-fi elements for sure. Another great acting job by Elizabeth Moss. She is pretty amazing.

Bosch (Amazon Prime) an old-fashioned detective drama with a charismatic lead performance from Titus Welliver, who transcends the stale anti-hero setup to do something that feels grounded and subtle.

Note: this isn’t a brain-teaser but a simple and entertaining crime series. Later seasons focus more on his daughter Maddie.

Hanna (Amazon Prime) is an extraordinary girl who has been raised in the forest, evading the relentless pursuit of an off-the-book CIA agent. This series -- part high-concept thriller, part coming-of-age drama -- follows the girl on her journey as she tries to unearth the truth behind who she is.

Note: great action series, especially seasons 1 and 2. It is based on the 2011 movie of the same name.

I read the book that the Shining Girls is based on and it annoyed me to no end that there was a TIM character who somehow passed well enough in the 1950s that he was in a traveling striptease show and none of his co-workers knew he was a man. Sure sweaty. But I didn’t know it was also a show. I’ll have to check it out. Thanks!

I have a TIM-o-meter on at all times and throughout the first season, no TIMS that I had noted.

I hope that he isn’t going to be in the next season.

P.S. I've just signed up to Apple TV based on your descriptions alone. :)

I don’t get a commission, honest! I have found I do not watch network tv any longer. I was looking at availability the other night and saw that they had 3-4 versions of FBI! No creativity or quality in my opinion. Apple has different, high-quality shows that I don’t find elsewhere.

One show on Apple TV+ that I have not yet started is For All Mankind. It imagines a world where the global space race never ended. This "what if" take on history from Ronald D. Moore spotlights the lives of NASA astronauts-the heroes and rock stars of their time and their families.

I don’t know why I haven’t and since I just read that it is from Ronald D. Moore, I absolutely will watch it!

In 2003, he reshaped an old sci-fi favorite, "Battlestar Galactica" (Sci Fi Channel, 2004-09), turning a hokey show from 1978-79 into a dark allegory on war and terrorism, underscoring the consequences of a devastating attack on a secular democracy by fanatics. Thanks to exceptional writing and strong production values, Moore proved himself to be an auteur in a genre usually considered to be the laughingstock of entertainment.

Battlestar Galactica is my favorite tv sci-fi show ever.

Pieces of Her on Netflix was really good. Based on a novel by Karin Slaughter. No sci-fi elements but it does have Toni Collette. I also liked Tell Me Your Secrets on prime but it might be too dark based on some of the other shows you mentioned.

Dead To Me on Netflix is a good mix of drama-thriller-dark comedy. Stars two women, Christina Applegate and Linda Cardellini. Not misogynistic or male-gazey. No science fiction themes. I really like this one and season 3 is coming out by the end of the year.

Awesome, thank you.

Season 3 will be the final season btw! In case anyone doesn't want to get into a show that has the potential to be canceled, as Netflix is known to do.

Yes, I was so upset that Raised by Wolves was cancelled (Prime), as I’d just watched the final episode and hadn’t realised it. This happened to me with Carnevale as well. Better to know it advance!

Apple TV's Foundation. If you've read the Asimov's novels the series is based on, the latter is much better. Many of the male book characters are female in the series (and not rewritten in a pandering way - they're just female). And the way the TV series interprets the character of the Emperor is amazing. Lee Pace did such a great job in season 1.

I read the books a long time ago — sincr they have more female characters I might check this out, thank you.