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I skipped this one entirely because they say in the opening scene "now not all women have vaginas and not all people with vaginas are women" - this episode is about VAGINA SHAME! I know many TIFs also hate their vaginas and feel shame abt them but how much y'all wanna bet a lot of it is influenced by the shame society places around vaginas, not even in a ~gender dysphoria~ way?

so I skipped it because fuck your lying and pandering. did any of you gyns watch it? if so what did you think?

I skipped this one entirely because they say in the opening scene "now not all women have vaginas and not all people with vaginas are women" - this episode is about VAGINA SHAME! I know many TIFs also hate their vaginas and feel shame abt them but how much y'all wanna bet a lot of it is influenced by the shame society places around vaginas, not even in a ~gender dysphoria~ way? so I skipped it because fuck your lying and pandering. did any of you gyns watch it? if so what did you think?

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There are parts of that show that are decent, but overall it weirds me out to the nth degree. Not to mention, the choice to nix Jenny Slate for Ayo Edebiri was kind of a bummer. Don’t get me wrong, I think Edebiri is excellent and in a few years she could be a household name. But something about the getting-rid-of-a-white-woman who then has to go on an apology tour while nothing happens to the white male creators…. well it irritates me. Again, all respect to both Slate and Edebiri. I just feel a little grossed out by some of the male creators of that show and dislike any scenario in which a woman is deemed replaceable/ disposable

THIS!

I totally understand wanting to push for Black actors to get Black roles (since they're under represented in the VA industry). But it felt shitty to not only replace existing White VAs, but guilt trip them for taking the job in the first place (despite this not being an issue just a few years ago).

But something about the getting-rid-of-a-white-woman who then has to go on an apology tour while nothing happens to the white male creators…. well it irritates me.

And I noticed that Slate was the only one forced to get on her knees and beg forgiveness upon being replaced by a Black actor. The male actors on the Simpsons didn't have to go on an apology tour when they hired new actors to play Dr Hibbert and Carl. Nor did Mike Henry have to beg forgiveness after he stepped down from playing Cleveland on Family Guy. But Jenny Slate had to take the heat after being fired despite not being in charge of casting decisions

This happened in the show Central Park as well. Kristin Bell left the show for a season following fan backlash about her voicing a biracial character, but Daveed Diggs is still playing a white female character.

Kristin Bell left the show for a season following fan backlash about her voicing a biracial character, but Daveed Diggs is still playing a white female character.

Why does this not surprise me?

Loren Bouchard's shows have practically made a brand out of casting men to play females (no matter how stupid it sounds in the show) and having virtually no female VAs in his cartoons even when the characters are mostly female. But a White woman playing a half-White character is a BRIDGE TOO FAR!!!

They'll probably replace Bell with a man. 🙄

I really loved Slate in her role. She was the sole member of the cast who actually managed to sound like a child, and I related to her a lot as a late bloomer who couldn’t quite keep up with my peers when I was developing,

She was cast, and made a role her own. And they wrote her out and introduced the new VA in a pretty clever way, admittedly! But I can’t figure out how it was Slate’s fault, at all, at the end of the day.

I didnt even know anything happened to Jenny Slate, what??? I really only knew her from Parks and Rec before this, and adore her. but yeah, that's fucked up! had no idea - did she like, say some Chris Pratt/Chapelle level stuff or???

She was the voice for a character in Big Mouth that is black and Jewish - and Slate isn’t black (I think she is Jewish but I can’t remember). The show has pointed this out before and made fun of this casting choice within the show.

Then in either 2020 or 2021, I guess Twitter or someone made this a controversy, and Slate was pressured into resigning from the role. She was replaced by a pretty cool up and coming black comedian/actress/writer, Ayo Edebiri. Slate was made to apologize and was even sort of semi-cancelled for a while. But nothing ever happened to the white, male creators of the show.

Also - I’m pretty sure that one of those creators, John Mulaney plays a gay, Jewish character in Big Mouth, when he himself is neither gay nor Jewish. So it’s very interesting how these lines are drawn and who gets framed as the villain.

Also just to reiterate - I am not against casting a black woman to play an animated black female character, like that’s a good thing. But the hate that Slate got was not merited at all.

Andrew (Mulaney's character) isn't gay, but Adrian Pimento (idk the actor's name) plays a bi character and he's not bi in real love either. And yes, I completely agree. that's the great thing about voice acting. And honestly - it's not Slate's fault she was cast!!!!! I mean, honestly, to me, anyone can apply for anything, even if they don't fit the casting requirements. it's up to the hiring people to set and stick to whatever values they want to set!

so if anyone should've been cancelled, it should've been the show runners who hired her to play a black character in the first place. that's fucking insane, and I know women of color are not a hive mind, but this woman of color disagrees that she needed to resign/was the one who should've had the spotlight pointed at them.

not ALL actors/voice actors are like Ellen Page, who don't know how to be someone they're not. Slate's character didnt even have a ~blackcent~ but alas. I do like her new actress, I mean, Edebiri was so indistinguishable to me, which is what I love in a voice actor replacement!

I find the animation style extremely offputting. I'm also wary of animated shows that are clearly meant for adults, especially when they're on streaming so it's not clear if they're safe for kids or not. On regular TV, cartoons that are too adult for young kids are aired too late for any of them (with responsible parents) to watch them.

I think if your kid is too young to watch shows like this, they should only have access to a kids profile. Most services allow you to make profiles, including Netflix, and if you make a “kid” profile,the kids don’t have access to these shows.

I have heard of parents who let their kids watch this show. As a fan of the show, my jaw is on the floor. Just NO. I would never let my kids watch this, and I love it and think that it contributes relevance and substance to our cultural canon!

The animation is ugly as hell, but hear me out. My theory is that this is to dissuade people from creating pornography of the underage characters that is appealing to pedophiles in the way that super-pretty anime children seem to be. I actually respect that if it’s the case, because it doesn’t seem like that cohort is watching the show.

I appreciate crude and absurd humor and the show speaks to me. I wish my parents had watched it before I hit puberty so that they could better guide me through it. The episodes with the girls and their older relatives are just especially poignant. I think I actually cried in the episode where Jessi wants to wear a lacy bra and gets into a fight with her mother over it, and her hormone monster twists everything to the worst possible interpretation. I felt just like that as a young teen.

[–] MissBehaved 11 points Edited

I've never heard of this show before and don't know a thing about it, but I looked up this episode and watched it because your post made me curious.

The intro was annoying but the rest of the episode, IMO did an ok job of pointing out the shame women and girls feel about our periods and genitalia. I dislike how crude it was and despite their intention, I feel like it was grotesquely drawn at points and that certainly doesn't help with shame (this appears to be their art style for the show however).

I think their message was overall positive, meant to make us consider what society puts us through due to the nature of our biology. It featured no trans propaganda besides the statement at the beginning you referenced. It also pointed out that men's opinions are based on porn and they have essentially no knowledge of women's bodies.

Here's my overview (spoilers): It starts with a 13 year old girl getting a yeast infection and she doesn't know what to do. She's confused by the feminine hygiene aisle, is confronted with all the douche products and a reference to a real douche ad from the 70s that said Men like the taste of Apricots. (See ad here ) She picks the scented wipes which make her infection worse and so instead she starts to harshly scrub herself in the shower with a lufa sponge. This was the worst part and I felt it was a bit porny for the male viewers.

It goes to another story about a girl who is 13 and notices in porn that all the women are shaved. She tries to ignore it until she overhears her male classmates discussing how gross it is for women to have a bush, followed by an extremely misogynist statement comparing women to seals. She goes home and 'executes' her pubic hair (personified as guardians of the realm, under a guillotine) and then expresses sadness at the loss. We are told she will continue the cycle of plucking and shaving and that she won't even really know why she does it.

Then another 13 year old girl gets her period for the first time, which she had been looking forward to because she felt the other girls were more womanly. Once she was faced with the reality of the pain and mess, she lashes out at her mother for not adequately preparing her for it. They eventually bond over the experience.

They then go to a pregnant woman in a doctor's office when she is told she has CPD and will need a C section. At home, her husband tells it's no big deal and made a joke about how her vagina at least won't get destroyed, "exploded" now. She runs out crying, to the restroom, where she comes across the first girl scrubbing away. She teaches her about yeast infections and provides her with Monistat. They bond. Then the girl's actual mother calls and is upset that the girl was helped by her step-mother instead of herself, pointing out that the shame adapts and remains constant in women's lives.

WAIT THAT FUCKING LAST PART?!?!?!?! I know EXACTLY what characters you are talking about and FUCK that husband!!! they try to portray him so well but too bad this shit ruins him! he's a pretty boring character besides the step mom v mom story line that already died out/is forgotten since there's a while between seasons, but fucking barf.

the only "good" guy on the show is Nick Kroll's character's FATHER, that absolutely worships his wife and not only does great non-sexual stuff for her (and his kids) but also talks abt how much he loves going down on her and treating her right in the bedroom - a disgusting thing to ever discuss w your barely teenage son in real life, but the one respite from the other gross shit from the rest of the show lol (it makes sense only in the context of the show, thankfully, and not in real life).

I didn’t even think about how the scrubbing part could be porny to men, I was just cringing and feeling a secondhand burn in my own body.

Oh god, what a relief. I’m a huge fan of this show, and up until this point it’s seemed like they address homosexuality and bisexuality and give it lots of analysis and screen time, but mostly pay obligatory lip service to trans issues. The episodes addressing the T kind of just get through it and there’s a definite sense that the writers are rolling their eyes a bit and doing the bare minimum.

The writers, after all, are adults reflecting on their own experiences going through puberty with absurd and crude humor. This stuff was NOT around 20-30 years ago, whatever people are claiming now.

I haven’t gotten to watch this newest season, but I recommend the show in general. While the concept can be off-putting to a lot of people, I feel like the show has a very compassionate and deeply resonant and relatable take on what going through some of these changes is like. The bonding between girls and women over their biological and sex-based experiences (and trauma!) is so well-done that I’m sort of amazed this show is still on the air.

They’ve had few trans references and they always felt like getting an obligation out of the way. They don’t get into it how they get into all these other issues.

For sure. It’s all relative, and given the care they have put into their lore (hormone monsters, love bugs etc) and the character development and surprisingly deft handling of the painful and humiliating changes that girls especially undergo, trans stuff feels more like an afterthought than anything. Their one trans character had a single episode and was a HSTS at summer camp, and it seemed like they were lampshading the transience of it all (no pun intended) when Jessi and Natalie become friends at camp and then promise to write each other, while openly admitting that they’ll probably never talk again. I took this to mean that Big Mouth will spend as little time as possible on this issue, and clapped very loudly in my heart.

I watched the whole thing; they don't go into much pandering besides a few lines like that, thankfully. I know what you mean though, I cringed quite hard when I heard that.

I didn't. However, I only found out the latin root of the word pudendum meant shame a couple of years ago.

Pudendum (n.): Human external genital organ, especially of a woman. From Latin pudēre: to be ashamed.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ca.23659

My guess is that it's about the shame society places around vaginas. No, I am not going to watch that.

yeah, in episode four they reference whatever happened in ep 3, which from what I can tell, Jesse and Lola both get yeast infections? but no idea what Missy or the other main girls went through.

ugh :/

Big Mouth is a vile show with heinous character designs. I don't know how anyone (outside of pedophiles with bad taste) could enjoy it

Well I won’t watch it now, fuck that.

That’s disgusting, this is our bodies they are taking about 🤬

Yup, I saw that, I believed that will be all the pandering they'll do (hey, one dumb sentence, not too bad), but let me know when you get to the next thing... you'll know when you see it. Offtopic and a bit mean of me, but I'm happy I'm not suffering alone now haha

I skipped episode 3 entirely once that line was said, I have no desire to watch anything that prefaces a conversation abt the shame women feel about their vaginas with some dumbass TIM pandering!

I think they got the sentence out of the way and the rest was about women. Honestly, besides the dumb start, pretty decent episode. But that's the thing, that wasn't the last genderwoo moment of the season!

I KNOW! the stupid fucking moment when he had that dumb monster they/them baby that's so obviously male :/ like okay but the entirety of what we know about hormone monsters PLUS from the spin off, they are all ~gendered~ normally so???

Are you talking about the Freddy Mercury thing? When I heard about that, I swore off ever watching that trash.

[–] space_out 0 points Edited

I don't think they reintroduced Freddy on season 3 (admittedly, I had the show running in background while I was doing other stuff so might have missed that). The part I was referring to is in season 3 Jess, the red head girl, her step mum is expecting a baby girl and is painting room pink for the baby. Jess storms in screaming the child must be brought up genderless, the mum is not super keen on it and in the end they agree that Jessy can call the girl whatever she wants, while parents call the baby whatever they want and the room must be repainted yellow. All in all a great murder of one of my favourite characters.