So breast ironing and FGM is only bad if it's done by "third-world" cultures. When white western liberals promote it as a "cure" for tomboyishness or social awkwardness, it's the cutting edge (poor choice of words, I know) of progressive liberation.

Make it make sense.

I've been thinking the same thing. Because what these doctors are doing is definitely mutilation. I cannot believe it's legal. Even socially accepted and encouraged. It's nightmarish.

Misogyny, the hatred of women, that is the only "logic" that any of this follows. The only guidelines for how our society continually fails (and purposefully exploits, abuses) our young girls and women.

Breast ironing causes tissue damage, not rib cage deformity/respiratory dysfunction. Binding does both.

everything I'm not supposed to, etc

Why does she sound proud about this

They are so fixated on removing their breasts. They don't realize it is their entire body that is female. Even in the photo, she's female as fuck, because she IS female. You can't hide your hips, your shoulders, your jawbone, your fingers. The obsession with a flat chest is just that - an obsession.

I hope she has support when she finally wakes up. She's gone too far at this point.

She sounds like those girls on anorexia tumblers bragging to each other how much they starve themselves. It's just another form of self-harm, and a way for girls to have a little bit of power over their bodies in a world where they are systematically denied power of anything, including their bodies. Not to mention, since it's breasts in particular, flattening them seems like a way to become invisible to sexual predation, to escape it, so 'de-sex' yourself and flee male sexual terrorism, porn, etc. Starvation will also reduce one's weight to the extent that breasts can nearly disappear. Funny how many parallels there are between girls 10, 20 years ago starving themselves, and girls now identifying out of girlhood and binding and taking drugs. It's all, I think, a reaction to the same thing: the horrible realization as girls come of age of what male supremacy has in store for them.

as a former anorexic, it really shocked me how many girls in ED communities had sexual trauma and were starving themselves to look less 'womanly'. Much of trans rhetoric reeks of exactly the same things I read back on pro-ana blogs and forums.

As a woman with an actual flat chest, gender ideology would have totally screwed me as a teen. I already thought I wasn’t “woman enough” and this current culture of “women = giant boobies otherwise you’re a man” would have broken my teenage brain.

[–] xyzpdq 18 points Edited

No woman can satisfy all standards for womanliness. That’s got to be a major reason why the gender cult thrives.

Oh I know, thankfully I’m long past the angst. But I still remember how it felt and I despair for teen girls now.

[–] disco_metal 11 points Edited

I’ve got a problem with excoriation, that is, skin-picking. Sometimes I’ll viciously attack my face till I’m bleeding just to destroy any acne or what looks like it could be acne on my face. For me it’s a compulsion sort of thing, or anxiety related. But sometimes it’s a form of self-harm, as I’ve learned from the times I’ve had to clarify. And now, just thinking, I wonder if there’s similarities between that sort of behavior and chest binding. (For me, I know full well that I should leave my face alone, you know, but I can’t stop myself. That’s what got me thinking.) Whether chest binding could be considered a form of self harm, or maybe it is related to some sort of body image disorder (body dysmorphia, or maybe some something related to obsessive compulsive)

No advice, but sympathy from a fellow sufferer. For me it seems to be a sensory issue, combined with being a maladaptive coping mechanism for anxiety. I have finally found acne treatments that work for me, and it helps prevent picking so much.

Obsessive-compulsive disorder is a common morbidity with gender dysphoria.

I don't know this person but a looooot of autistic people are calmed with deep pressure (weighted blankets, squeeze machine, etc.). A loooot of autistic girls are also identifying as trans and binding. It's not a coincidence.


She had her internal reproductive organs removed too a few months after turning 18. She's a psychology major btw.

[–] carpetplaydohx2 25 points Edited

Oh my g-d

edit: There's a girl lower down on that page who got top surgery at 15. FIFTEEN. Women's breasts aren't even done growing at that age. These doctors need to be struck off, and parents need to be charged for this BS.

I had it at 14... you can check my post history for more information.

I am so sorry.

FYI, if you posted in the detrans circle, many of us will not be able to see it. Only detrans women are supposed to view and interact with that circle. It isn’t a rule, just some Ovarit etiquette most users agree on. Same with the lesbian circle being just for lesbians.

This is monstrous -- I'm so very sorry. You deserved better from everyone around you.

I've seen detrans (and still trans IDing) women who had a mastectomy as teens and since as you said their breast wasn't done developing yet at the time, it partially grew back...

:( I don't know why this in particular is so upsetting to me but it is. To be that young and have a doctor willing to remove your breasts... Young enough they can start to grow back??

Pretty sure they aren’t done growing at 18, either

They're not. They can keep growing until the mid-20s (and significant hormonal changes can also induce additional breast growth, but the actual breasts have at least fully developed at that point).

Reddit stuff is prone to being removed or deleted, especially if they find it on TERF sites like us. It's better to use archive links.


She probably won't live long enough to get her Masters and start doing this shit to other kids.

Hey, why can’t this be considered, at least as a possible reason, self-harm? I’ve got problems with excoriation—skin picking, in other words; I’ll viciously go after acne and anything that might be acne on my face—and while in my case it’s a compulsion or an anxiety thing, I see it listed alongside self-harm sometimes—as in it can be considered and done as a form of self-harm.

Why can’t chest binding be understood as a manifestation of self harm?

I also have compulsive skin picking and used binders. Both are self-harm. For some reason if you say you were born in the wrong sexed body, even genital mutilation is justified as brave and stunning. Utter madness.

This is just western breast ironing, self-inflicted (because of brainwashing and fear of male sexual terrorism). So sad.

So this girl deformed her body because she's so mentally ill and hates her body so much that this happened, so somebody gave her surgery? How can this person even consent?

I fucking guarantee you the number of neurotic, self-harming, self-loathing, debilitatingly dysphoric women who practice "Proper Safe Binding Habits" is an extreme minority. Once you take a step down the "I'm used to seeing my chest looking flat every day" trail, the sight of your own breasts becomes an aberration few dysphoric women are able to withstand every night+weekends.

And that's if there were actually a safe binding method. I know multiple women who found it so painful they were never even able to do it, despite their dysphoria.

[–] KissMyOvaries 5 points Edited

This is just sad. She’s a stoner, and does cocaine. She’s tiny at 5’4” and 115 pounds. I guarantee she doesn’t “pass” as her hair is long and she has long fingernails (in addition to being tiny), and very feminine hands.

Edit. She says she never passes and has developed that typical TIF “gay man” voice.

There is no better proof that these girls are running from womanhood, not towards manhood

There is no way she thought a small ribcage would help her ‘transition’ to being a man.

[–] no- 2 points

I think it’s horrible this form of self-harm is getting normalized and considered a form of treatment for mental illness. How is this any different from feet binding and breast ironing? Abusing the female body will never not be barbaric.

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