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Looking at the facts, 2021 alone was the "deadliest year" for transgender and gender non-conforming folks. Three hundred seventy-five people were murdered worldwide last year alone, according to Transrespect versus Transphobia.

One thing's for sure: Gray's antiquated, misguided and hateful rhetoric surrounding trans people is the type of sentiment that has had deadly consequences. The violent killings of trans Black women Brazil Johnson and Kitty Monroe last week are just the most recent examples.

Black women are killed in the US at a rate of one every 5-6 hours.

Leave Ms. Grey alone with your BS

Macy Gray never said she hates or looks down on trans identified people. She certainly never said they deserve to be harmed, FFS, and I don’t think she would ever think or say that at all! She never said she doesn’t care about their safety. She never said that people should not be gender non conforming. She simply recognized that biology and sex is real and that women should have sex based rights.

And if they want to play that entitlement game with her, how many black women and girls are missing in the US without ANY attention or press given to their cases? Last year, there was finally a bit of media attention to this issue, but it’s already fizzled out. But black women are expected to cater to TIMs and highlight only their issues?

I never hear TRAs talk about missing and murdered black women, or indigenous women, or the femicide of Hispanic women, or the epidemic of violence against women prostitutes of all ethnicities. They only talk about how they’re the only real and valid women and that they have it soooo much worse than women do, including WOC victims who are historically invisible in a misogynistic and racist system.

TRAs need to put the onus on the despicable MEN who commit violent acts against trans people, just as they do against women, and stop pushing to erase women as a category and intrude on our privacy, sense of physical safety, and political protections.

[–] Nona_Biba elephanthood 5 points

Last year, there was finally a bit of media attention to this issue, but it’s already fizzled out.

You know why it's already fizzled out? Because it served it's purpose already. The media only brought attention to it because they wanted to stir up racial animus. It only happened because people were mad at all the media attention one specific disappeared/ murdered white woman got (Gabby Petito). After Gabby was found and her killer's corpse retrieved, there was no longer a need to keep people divided on racial lines in order to- what? Distract from male violence and domination? Keep the masses from uniting against the people who run the world? I don't know exactly but I'm sure it's not wholesome. Oh, they'll bring up missing black and indigenous women again though- the next time a pretty white woman goes missing (is likely dead) and garners a bunch of "undeserved" attention. Count on it.

They are the media. They can try to signal boost and focus on black missing women's cases all they want. And they don't, they literally changed nothing after they criticized themselves for giving Gabby's case the limelight. The only reason Tokata Iron Eyes got so much attention is because a celebrity was involved in her case. Can you blame me for thinking it's all a ruse?

Yep!! Look up the black femicide page on Facebook/Instagram. The woman behind it does fantastic work. Every 5 hours in AMERICA, black women are murdered by a man in our own community. We don’t have to go scouring other continents to scrape up and bulk up numbers. This is happening RIGHT HERE!! Fuck EVERYONES problems…

Black transwomen are murdered at the same rate as black men.

Things that make you go hmmmmm

Ah, the good old first rule of misogyny: women are responsible for what men do. God forbid we hold men accountable for their own actions.

Nobody is going around killing trans people. I wish they'd stop being so dramatic, we have much bigger social issues to tackle - we don't need to invent new imaginary ones.

The author doesn't understand homicide rates. Those worldwide figures are not as high as he thinks. All demographic groups experience homicides, and the global transgender population is likely to be several million people.

In the US the Williams Institute estimates that between 1.4 and 1.6 million adult people are transgender, and the number of transgender people who became homicide victims in 2020 (the latest year I can get comparison data) was 44.

The homicide rate in the US for the whole population that year was 7.5 per 100 000. If that same rate applied to the transgender population we would have expected 105-120 homicides in that group in 2020.

So transgender people, as a whole, were less likely to become homicide victims than the general population.

(These are very rough calculations and are not intended as precise figures (as, for instance, the overall rate in the US is based on all population and not just on adults and as estimates about the size of the transgender population differ quite a bit), but I have tried to bias them toward the transgender rate being higher rather than toward it being lower. They can still be wrong (as I'm tired), but it is very unlikely that they would be widely off in the sense that the RS article implies).

The rate at which transgender people, in general, are killed (for all reasons and not just as hate crimes) is, in fact, not high.

The TRAs do know this and that's why they always focus on black transgender women who are killed at higher rates. When I have time I plan to see if I can get more evidence on that group and compare the rate to the homicide victimization rates of black women and men, in general, in the US.

The author is, of course, an idiot in other ways, too.

What Macy Gray says has no impact on those horrible murders he mentions in the US and certainly has no impact on worldwide homicide rates of transgender people. It's also true that most murders of transgender women are for similar reasons as most other murders. In other words, we can't just assume that every one of them was a hate crime. And it's grotesque for the author to argue that one woman's defense of women's rights would cause such hate crimes to happen.

Rolling Stone and the writer of this article are getting slaughtered on Twitter, I love it 😂💀

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How many women were murdered worldwide in 2021 alone?

What rhetoric surrounding women is the type of sentiment that has had deadly consequences?

[–] Nona_Biba elephanthood 5 points Edited


First of all, 375 murders worldwide a year is not that bad considering there must be at least tens of millions of trans people in the world by now. And hey, if they want to count people such as hijras and fa'afine as trans when it benefits their arguments, i think it's fair to add them into the world population of trans people when it doesn't benefit them as well. I think the general murder rate in america is five per 100,000. It's been as high as 9 per 100k the year of my birth. If transgenderism is really innate, then foreign countries should have a similar percentage of trans people as the US- I'll go with Williams Institute 0.7%. There are 7.96 billion people on earth. So there should be 55, 720, 000 trans people in the world- whether or not they can actually socially or medically transition in their culture doesn't invalidate their transness right? Boymoders are valid women! 🤡 SO, 375 worldwide murders= a murder rate of 0.00067301. (Edit- realized i did my math wrong. I was conparing trans murder percent to general murder rate of 100k. The correct rate for trans murder should be 1.48 per 100k. So not utopia levels but better than normal people.) That's a fucking GREAT murder rate! Like, utopia levels of non-existent crime. Trans people ought to be pleased. (Or they ought to admit their gender identity is made up Western lunacy or a fetish)

Secondly, do you really think men in Brazil or Thailand or Saudi Arabia even give a shit what Macy Gray thinks??? If men cared what women thought, the world would be VERY different.

[–] Nona_Biba elephanthood 2 points

Oh, thought of another contradiction. Most trans people are murdered for the same reasons others are murdered- victims of domestic violence, involvement with drugs gangs or other crimes, or random happenstance. Most of them are not murdered just because someone was looking to hate crime a trans person specifically. And thus trans people being murdered doesnt imply that trans people are discriminated against or hated.

And if they are targetted for random hate crimes just due to the fact that they are trans...how did the killer know his victim was transgender? I thought they couldnt tell cis people from trans and they just blended in perfectly?

[–] Lipsy #bornnotworn 3 points

I think the biggest chunk of them have been Black TIMs who were prostituted/involved in "sex work" when they were killed. (The murder rate for this group, even if calculated using the much smaller estimated Black TIM population as denominator, is still lower than the rate at which prostituted Women and Girls are killed.)

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