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The "stop centering your own feelings"-comment πŸ˜‚ such irony πŸ˜‚

A lot of them have said the same, stop centering yourself.

Women are never allowed to center ourselves.

If she wasn’t a TERF before this she sure as hell will be one now. Nice job TRA’s

Never, ever, ever apologize. They'll savage you whether you do or don't, do don't. There is no redemption with these forces.

[–] [Deleted] 24 points Edited

Oh they were seething at her tweet, knowing they had no power to cancel all the money she has. But now? Well now she's put herself in a defensive position and shown her weakness, that she'll cater to them. They won't stop.

I agree she is not handling it well right now. But she'll learn. Just like JKR and Martina had to learn. The TRAs will "educate".

[–] Mafdet 28 points Edited

I'll be naive but I don't see a real 'apology' from Bette. She states, while using the word women, she is not the big bad bigot TRA claim she is. And of course they are angry and very sad, because as far as twitter allows me to show (nothing fucking helps with that stupid pop-up and I refuse to create an account), she doesn't specify trans. Very big mad, so sad.

Edit: and the original tweet is still up.

Edit2: after messing around with nitter, I found the tweet she did use the word thransphobic and how she's not, while linking to the NYT article how far right and far left both hate women and stating how well written it is. Hahahahaha!

Dear Bette, I think I know what you mean but I also think you have no idea that the transsexuals from back in the day are not really like the white dudes with dresses go spinny and programmer socks today.

I think "accidentally angered the very people I have always supported and adored" is a bit of an apology, or at least will be interpreted as such by the TRAs.

Could be. I suppose she was referring to long time a go (Well, not that long as the very loud TQ+ addition is relatively new) when it was still LGBverytinyt. We can't deny there were transpeople before the big TQ wave and, at least in my country, they were seen as part of the bigger LGB movement. Most likely, but I didn't research it in depth, a lot of TIMs back in the day were gay men. TIF's as we all know, were quite rare.

Anyway, I think we also need to take in account that there are LGB's who are very protrans and they probably became angry as well. And of course other handmaidens. I can understand her defending herself but there is no reasoning with the current mostly online lgbTQ crowd.

For fucks sake.

Bette Midler always felt like the original no fucks to give woman. Don’t loose that now please!!!!

[–] hmimperialtortie 🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈 7 points

I’m thinking β€œdon’t ruin Ruthless People for me now!”

Woman: I support marginalized people.

Aggressive mob of privileged white men: No, you don't. Because you don't support ME.

[–] hmimperialtortie 🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈 22 points

Why do wealthy, fairly untouchable people - women and some men - bother making statements of fact then back down in the face of the TRA mob? Don’t they know what will happen when they cross the cult? Have they seen nothing of the last two years of persecution of JKR?

[–] MenHaveItEasy Moid Respecter 11 points

I really wish one of them would flat out say, "Go fuck yourselves." whenever the incel twitter mob starts squawking for apologies and explanations.

[–] OwnLyingEyes 10 points Edited

They likely haven't been paying super close attention to the issue, especially if they think statements like this wouldn't get them in hot water. JK Rowling was different; she was clearly doing her homework and paying close attention to the 'debate'/ entire situation before she decided to publicly take a stand, and she seemed to know what she was getting into when she did. But I think a lot of the other ones we've seen literally haven't been paying close enough attention to know what's really been happening; they're still largely in 'be kind' territory and don't realize that 'women's rights matter too' is treated as heresy because until now they haven't really pushed back and took it at face value that others were being cancelled for being raging transphobes. I think your average 'be kind' person has very little idea about the kind of legislation that's been being passed, the level of BS that's been taking place in schools, any of it. And if, if they ever catch a real glimpse and see something disturbing, and ask someone else in the 'be kind' bubble something like 'did you see this?', they get told in no uncertain terms to not talk about it.

And for all of the wealth, many likely still don't want to lose friends, family, and job opportunities over a Twitter statement, especially if they genuinely enjoy the work that they do. If she stands firm, even on this mild statement that this language is harmful to women and girls, it might be enough to get her essentially blacklisted from Hollywood.

I think the human urge to be liked is really strong. We are social creatures who evolved to depend on one another. They probably didn’t expect the level of vitriol they were going to receive if they only knew a little about the trans nonsense. Ideally if they knew ahead of time how much they would get flames and that it might bother them they would just post and then turn off their phone.

[–] hmimperialtortie 🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈 4 points

I wonder how much, or little, these celebrities who are on Twitter know about it? And if they know little, why they’re bothering to comment, or if they know enough, why they’re surprised at the reaction ...

Maybe they only found a little pocket of trans insanity and decided to voice an opinion against it without realizing they had only scratched the surface of a garbage filled cesspool the size of the ocean.

I wonder this too. It's like she's really surprised at the reaction and doesn't quite know how to handle it. As if the NYT article was the first she'd heard of this?

Women have lost their abortion rights and the primarily white men who dress up as women for their sex fetish are still complaining that they are the most marginalized?

They are so nasty. There's no way of discussing anything with them, no way at all. What they view as their rights is to get women erased from all language.

She would have been stronger if she had just stuck to her guns. Now the men and TRAs will ridicule to hell and back.

She refers to her tweet as "a tweet that accidentally angered the very people I have always supported and adored".

Uh oh...

Ugh. Those responses oozed so much sanctimony it's a slip and fall hazard. Those people will hold it both over and against her forever. Might as well come all the way over, Bette.

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