Were people always this fucked or are we exposed more to the fucked up people that have always existed? I know it's a bit of an overdone cliche but getting fall of Rome vibes. A society that openly approves of child mutilation and incest is not doing well.

I know what you mean. Western culture seems to be malfunctioning. That or the internet has given the dysfunctional people much greater visibility and influence. Either way is bad but hopefully it's the latter as that's marginally less 'fall of Rome'.

[–] SecondSkin 11 points Edited

I think it goes in waves.

People were always this fucked up. But often it’s socially acceptable to call these people out as the outliers who are either stupid (flat earthers), unwell (hearing ‘gods’ voice), dangerous (PIE), or desperate for the attention (abducted by aliens).

But sometimes the Overton window shifts so the status quo is the horror. (Nazi Germany, lobotomies etc).

I watched the lesson the other night. I knew about the third wave experiment vaguely, in the way I knew about the prison experiment or electric shock ones or similar- like I’d heard various bits growing up/seen references in media/read the odd article. But I didn’t know that much. At the end when they were talking about it one person said something like people will always see others as powerful or powerless, and will go to any lengths to be one of the powerful group, betray any value, cross all lines, to do anything to belong to the powerful group and not the powerless one. I think that stands out a lot in the right side of history slant that so many of the TRAs have, the ones who seem like they should be the reasonable ones- women, mothers, teachers, police, doctors, (some) politicians etc. They over ride everything they know to be true, every instinct, everyone that should matter to them, just because they fear being seen as being on the wrong side of history. They chase the need to feel powerful by being part of the right group, because belonging feels powerful, because blind certainty feels powerful.