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[–] Eava 20 points Edited

I think social media has enabled fucked up people to be open about their fucked upedness, and be affirmed and encouraged in it, share it, normalize it, and spread it. In the days before social media, where would a TIM go to find a group of women who would enable his pregnancy fetish? Where would parents who want support transing their kids find it? Kai Shappley's mother said she found an Evangelical moms' Facebook group for transing their kids. Before, people would keep their fetishes and bizarre beliefs to themselves. Social media created a judgment and consequence free forum where anyone can say the sickest, craziest shit and find an echo chamber normalizing it.

[–] SecondSkin 11 points Edited

I think it feels like social media amplifies it, but sickos always found each other, long before social media existed. PIE and NAMBLA were around before the internet, cults have always found predators to join as well as victims. Throughout history there’s a never ending plethora of extremes that took hold because of how easy it is for predators to find their echo chamber. There are plenty of time periods where it was socially acceptable for predators to demonstrate their violence and depravity publicly.

None of that is new. I think people thought we were living in a more progressive, enlightened, liberated society. I think many people assumed many of the good fights had been won, that we’ve learned and moved forward, and most people will be good within a society that’s progressed this much. So it feels shocking that it’s gone this way. It feels like madness because people assume others think in fairly similar ways to them, they assume others are essentially decent and good because they are essentially decent and good. I think social media amplifies this illusion also. Props up what people want to see, illustrates the imagery people want to buy into. So when the realisation that people are not these good, decent people hits, the crash feels greater.

Yes,sick and twisted people have always existed. It was just much, much harder for them to find one another and convert other people. The level of social contagion just wasn't there. It was also much easier to safeguard children. Pedophiles and groomers weren't a click away on any phone, tablet or computer.

[–] SecondSkin 1 points Edited

No that’s not true at all.

It’s always been easy for them to find each other, like I said PIE and NAMBLA existed long before the internet. Cults, and fundamentalist religions, have existed long before the internet, none of which found it hard to find more predators or victims. Nazi Germany, Russian revolution, slavery…. there’s a never ending amount of time periods where humans, mostly men, did horrific things to each other and to women and children. Pedo groups sharing images of abuse was a huge problem long before the internet, so were grooming gangs, and sex trafficking and residential schools to torture indigenous Canadians or madgelen laundries that were run to abuse girls in Ireland, and child ‘brides’ forced to be rape slaves.

There may have been a time when groomers couldn’t access children over the internet, but that was also the era when Jimmy Savile was a hero even though half the county knew he was a predator, when it was socially acceptable for teachers to refer to their students as jail bait or teases, when girls were told not to tell lies about their nice uncle Jack or do as the minister tells them-because it wasn’t acknowledged how real and every day abuse is, because abuse was seen as stranger danger only- or when kids ran around unsupervised at young ages and the worst happened all the time. Now it’s over the internet, because it’s not the done thing to let little kids out at 8am and not see them again until lunch or leave them with the supposedly nice guy next door. But it’s just a different slant on the same problem. There’s a psychohistorian who Alice Miller quotes whose research indicates that at one point in history children were almost all molested. That it was believed that children didn’t remember anything prior to age 5 so it didn’t matter. We have better safeguarding these days in some ways because abuse is talked about, it isn’t something to be ashamed of, it’s illegal- when at one point it wasn’t- it’s something that’s viewed as wrong no matter who the victim is, and the risk any man-including all the nice ones- pose to children isn’t ignored now. Yet we’ve gone the other way in terms of internet access and gender ideology eroding safeguarding. But it’s all a different version of the same problem, and it’s always been easy for predators to sniff each other out and for connections and access kids.