My kid put it this way: It shouldn't matter what someone is or has as long as it's the right person.

My bro, sometimes "what you have" is exactly why you're not "the right person".

[–] OwnLyingEyes 30 points Edited

...frankly there’s nothing more violent you can do to a girl who’s had bottom surgery than invalidate her vagina and say she’s unfuckable because her vagina is surgical...

Wow. Wooooow. Nothing more violent. Nothing.

Editing to add: all of the delusional dudes there saying NOT EVEN A GYNECOLOGIST CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE, and so no one has to look up a "neovagina" to remind themselves...they're not even able to put them in the right place.

[–] LonelyKindred Jaded Tomboy 13 points

I'm pretty sure if a gyno saw a vag that looked like THAT on a real woman they would diagnose her with Several Things

Oh that gynecologist line infuriates me to no end. As you said, not even located in the right place. Not made of the correct tissue; doesn’t lead to a uterus, neither self cleaning or self lubricating. Not a muscle, the list just goes on and on.

Among other things all of this illustrates just how much genuine vaginas are hated and how little is thought of their miraculous function. It makes me angry but underneath it makes me sad.

It's dumb as shit, saying no is violence to these rapist pigs.

"nothing more violent"

Wow. Almost seems like a troll post but I doubt it. The delusion is off the charts.

We're entering a dark time when something that leads someone to experience narcissistic injury is treated as 'violence,' much less more violent than actual violence.

It's not OK to have a preference for something you can't actually see or feel the difference.

Oh people can tell the difference. I've seen plenty through various sources and they do not look like real vaginas. They really need to stop fooling themselves.

[–] hmimperialtortie 🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈 21 points

Well here you go, scrotes: nobody actually cares about your butchered genitals. They’re repulsive whether you had them inverted or not. And why? Because they’re part of you. You’re utterly unfuckable, disgusting men. Nobody wants to have a cup of coffee with you, let alone anything more intimate.

Tbh even if they were visually passable, just the thought of what it all actually is is enough to turn my stomach


I am straight and I do not want to put in my mouth or my vagina a cylinder made of arm/leg flesh. Hell, even the idea of touching it makes me freak out. I can only imagine what lesbians and straight men think of a canal made of a penis and/or a rectum when contemplating cunnilingus.

Even if you couldn' t tell the difference, knowing there is a difference is plenty ok to reject someone.

I can' t tell just by looking if someone is a religious extremist or not, but if I am told, you can bet your ass I am going to take it into consideration when deciding whether to date him or not. Same goes with everything. It doesn' t matter how stupid it is, if it makes you think "I am not so sure about fucking/dating this person", then it' s ok.

I hope that "MY neovagina" person is real.

The thing that is so bad about these arguments is that they are directly intended to remove people's barriers and force consent. It's nOt wRoNg to prefer a particular sex/body type/ethnicity but it IS bIgOtEd so you need to DO BETTER with your BIGOTRY and you can work on that bigotry of yours by HAVING SEX WITH SOMEONE YOU DON'T FANCY. There's really no other preferred outcome. "Cis" and don't want to date trans people? The only proof of your transphobia being addressed is a trans love interest. White and don't want to date outside your racial group? DO BETTER but also don't FETISHISE the person but also you have to go out with them or you're a bigot. Not attracted to fat bodies? Unless you literally marry a fat person your bigotry will never be disproven, Homosexual? Hey there are people with opposite sex genitals who are your sex now, better date them or else ... you're a traitor to the LGBT community....

[–] hmimperialtortie 🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈 8 points


It’s always about requiring their target group to submit to their lusts.

[–] Brans93 0 points Edited

Them saying it's not wrong to have preferences but those preferences should be examined sounds a LOT like there would be no reason good enough to not want to be with a trans person. Any reason given would be automatically transphobia. And it's ridiculously obvious that the only thing that matters to these people are the trans validation, to hell with anyone else's feelings.

I wouldn't date a trans person because I don't want to date a trans person. I don't need to say anything else about it, and I could care less if anyone is made to feel bad because of it. There's plenty of people in the world, I'm sure they'll manage to find one person who can deal with their shit. Dating is by definition exclusionary, sounds like they need to get over it and realize their choices limit their dating pool just like everyone else's choices do.

The only way to "win" their bullshit games is to just not play. I would never willingly associate with someone who was trans that was so engrained in this ideology like this. I can't imagine how sufferable it would be to be friends with someone like that, let alone date them.

I love it when they finally go for the men. Yessss go prey on them, give us a break.

Also I'm fucking DEAD at one of these dudes claiming gynecologists can't tell the difference 💀 their field of study is the female reproductive system and they think they can't distinguish the female reproductive system??

Lol from what I understand of neovaginas, even if the person has great visual results, the smell is nothing like a real vagina and is often extremely foul (like an unwashed belly button or fecal if intestines were used to make the passage.)

[–]LesbianIvy 21 points 5 hours ago They're just talking about sex not having kids. If you dont want to be with someone that can't birth a child that's ok but that's not what happened here.

That is so male manly, I just can’t

This dude is saying that it’s okay to reject someone for not being able to have kids but it’s not ok to refuse to fvck someone

Absolute clowns saying he's a Nazi for not fucking the pelvic cave. I guess a stoma (colostomy) is basically the same as a butthole so male anal enjoyers must be fine and fuck it or they're bigoted. The level of cope is making me feel bad

I encourage this behavior. I want the normies to see this shit.

[–] ArmedFemme 🪖🎖️ 8 points

Calling out transphobic biases and behaviors does not mean "hey you better sleep with me or I'll call you a bigot" anymore than pointing out that race fetishism is bad or that excluding an entire race from your dating pool is probably fueled by some implicit level of racism. I'm not saying that having biases means that your consent no longer matters. But it is still worth pointing those biases out and expecting people to recognize them. You can't help your immediate internal reactions to things, including how that affects your attraction. Even if it's hurtful. But you can take that as a sign to examine your beliefs more closely and be sure to recognize how they come to affect your other behaviors and minimize harm.

Why do they always compare sex to race? If you take the black/white/aisian/whatever else part of a woman away, she’s still a woman and has the same genitals as every other woman. If you take ‘trans’ away from a male he’s just male. He has separate genitals. This is such a braindead argument and makes me want to bash my head against the wall.

This exchange is . . . .wow.

]Icy-Yogurt-Leah 7 points 4 hours ago* I can tell you the difference between MINE and a natal one. I don't feel any pleasure from it. The lining in MINE is penile skin not mucosa. I was not born with it. The biome in mine is different from a natal one, there are many studies on this you can look them up yourself. MINE was created by a surgeon. MINE has horrific scarring from when it was created. MINE is a dead end, it does not lead to a cervix. MINE does not self clean or lubricate. MINE needs to be dilated for the rest of my life or it will close up. MINE could not expand large enough to push a baby out. Penetration is painful. MINE looks like testicle skin was left to resemble labia majora, it doesn't and yes I have seen the wall of vagina pictures. These and not directly vagina functions but part of the whole reproductive system. I cannot get pregnant, most cis women can. I do not menstruate. I do not produce eggs. I do not produce enough female hormones to maintain bone density and feminisation without HRT. Now you are going to come up with medical reasons that cause most of these in natal vagina, they are edge cases and rare for each one let alone all of them at the same time. Once you have your own you will realise it's not all sunshine and roses. MY neo vagina is crap, it's painful and doesn't work. I hope your experience will be different but that's my take. I SAID MY NEO VAGINA PEOPLE learn to read before you start arguing about MY opinion of MY body. permalinksaveparentreportgive awardreply

[–]LucyTheMLTrans Lesbian ~ HRT 01/06/2022 DMY 17 points 4 hours ago* 1. Some cis women struggle with feeling pleasure too, this is a completely natural variation. 2. While there is a difference in the lining, it does not feel different and no one would be able to distinguish between them truly. 3. Everyone has a different biome of bacteria and stuff can vary greatly woman-woman. 4. Why does it matter where it came from? 5. Cis women can get scarring on their vulvas too, some people literally get their clitoris torn in half during giving birth. 6. Cis women can also have issues with lubrication, some ladies can't get wet at all. 7. I am entirely sure there's some cis women who were born without a cervix. 8. Some cis women need to dilate after a certain age for the rest of their lives. Also, the idea of it "closing up" is a medical lie. It tightens, yes, but it's not a wound which heals and then closes up never to return. 9. C-sections exist for a reason. Sometimes natal vaginas can't push out a baby either. 10. Cis women can find penetration incredibly painful too and this is why clitoral masturbation is more popular. 11. Scrotal skin and labial skin are very similar. If one finds themselves unhappy with stuff, cosmetic revisions exist for a reason. 12. "I cannot get pregnant, most cis women can. I do not menstruate. I do notproduce eggs. I do not produce enough female hormones to maintain bone density and feminisation without HRT." again this is not a difference between neo and natal both can suffer the same issue 13. Being AMAB is sadly a fringe birth disorder some women have to suffer through. Luckily one can treat it with meds and/or corrective surgery if they so please.

Jesus. There's nothing that will penetrate their thick skulls, nothing. How much more can the post-op TIM say?!

What he does say is all true and I think he’s trying to warn other men: Mammals cannot change sex. The best that can be done is a mutilated simulacrum that doesn’t function and causes terrible suffering. From what I’ve read, this man is describing the “normal” experience for this kind of surgery. Aspirants to the same procedure would do better to listen. I really hate this timeline.

[–] no- [OP] 14 points Edited

Being AMAB is sadly a fringe birth disorder some women have to suffer through.

Oh my god, cope harder.

[–] ArmedFemme 🪖🎖️ 6 points Edited

My kid put it this way: It shouldn't matter what someone is or has as long as it's the right person. This guy sounds like not the right person for your friend. And I dare say not right for anyone on this subreddit.

Your kid is wise beyond their years. As a bi human, YES!! This sums up all my feelings.

Yes, as a bi person it applies to you. Not if you’re homo/heterosexual.

Edit: re-reading this I want to clarify that it only applies to you if you’re bi, but even then it doesn’t apply to all bi people. I wouldn’t blame you if you didn’t like inverted penis.

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